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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sherree,

I agree with you that it is a limitation of the format.</description>
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<p>I agree with you that it is a limitation of the format.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherree Tannen</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/04/02/what-is-your-end-goal-part-1/#comment-6801</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherree Tannen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand, Kevin. I also understood the point you made in the post, and again commend you for making it. I can&#039;t speak for Jim, either, so I will leave it there. My major point was that new readers coming into the conversation may not have an overview, and thus, they lack a frame of reference within which to work. I am not sure how to remedy that, except to suggest that the reader keeps reading. The important thing to remember is, I think, that blogs allow an unprecedented interaction between historians and the public, and that interaction can become a fertile ground for both the exchange of ideas, and for the formation of new ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand, Kevin. I also understood the point you made in the post, and again commend you for making it. I can&#8217;t speak for Jim, either, so I will leave it there. My major point was that new readers coming into the conversation may not have an overview, and thus, they lack a frame of reference within which to work. I am not sure how to remedy that, except to suggest that the reader keeps reading. The important thing to remember is, I think, that blogs allow an unprecedented interaction between historians and the public, and that interaction can become a fertile ground for both the exchange of ideas, and for the formation of new ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/04/02/what-is-your-end-goal-part-1/#comment-6800</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sherree,

Of course, Jim can speak for himself, but it seems to me part of what is driving him is a concern that my interest in slavery/race in the South is part of a broader attempt to vilify it in comparison with a virtuous north.  We&#039;ve gone back and forth on this issue for quite some time and at every point along the way I&#039;ve tried to alleviate these concerns.  That I do not assume such a naive distinction was one of the main points in my post..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sherree,</p>
<p>Of course, Jim can speak for himself, but it seems to me part of what is driving him is a concern that my interest in slavery/race in the South is part of a broader attempt to vilify it in comparison with a virtuous north.  We&#8217;ve gone back and forth on this issue for quite some time and at every point along the way I&#8217;ve tried to alleviate these concerns.  That I do not assume such a naive distinction was one of the main points in my post..</p>
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		<title>By: Sherree Tannen</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/04/02/what-is-your-end-goal-part-1/#comment-6799</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherree Tannen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Jim&#039;s response has highlighted a problem with blogging history. A reader who is not a historian comes into a conversation that is ongoing, and thus, does not have a frame of reference within which to converse, as do historians who are interacting, and/or readers who follow the blog. Also, just because a man or woman is not a trained historian does not lessen his or her capacity to understand our past, and maybe even understand it better than a historian. So, I think we should be careful in our thinking. Jim has pointed out a much broader frame of reference that does need to be taken into account when studying the history of the Civil War--the history of slavery in western civilization, and how all of the west is culpable not to a small, but to a very large degree. The men who financed a slave ship in England, or profited from slavery in the Northern and Southern US, were no less culpable than the men who actually beat a slave in Mississippi, Virginia, or Alabama. That is not to mitigate responsibility for the legacy of slavery in the South. That is to strive to reach a true understanding of our history.  I am from the South. My ancestors are from the South. My ancestors fought on the side of the Confederacy, yet in succeeding generations after the Civil War my ancestors fought for the rights of black men and women (which is not to say that they did anything special, but did what they should have done in the first place) What is the difference in that experience and the experiences of others in the South? In my opinion, the difference is the topic addressed in this blog: how the Civil War was remembered. Robert E Lee was not a hero, nor was he a villain. He was simply a general. Stonewall Jackson was not even a name I knew, until I had to memorize it for a history test. Confederate flags were nowhere to be found in my house, or in my neighborhood. (actually the history emphasized in my area was the history of the Jamestown colony) Drilling a little deeper, it has now become apparent that not all Confederates were happy to be Confederates, and again, that is not to mitigate responsibility. It is to state what is becoming increasingly apparent through the research of others. My point is that the involvement of my family in fighting Jim Crow and working for the rights of black men and women during the civil rights era came from within the culture of the South itself.  I wish they had fought for black men and women before the Civil War, but they didn&#039;t. In the end, they did, though, in their actions after the war, and no doubt so did many others who are silent on the subject, or who are lost to history. The writing of the history of the Civil War is a work in progress, as is the writing of the history of our nation, and of western civilization itself.  I believe that this will become ever more apparent as the voices of Indigenous men and women become an integral part of American history, rather than a &quot;footnote&quot; to American history, as has been the case in the past. For example, I have three friends who have direct experience of boarding schools in the US and residential schools in Canada. Needless to say, the Carlisle Industrial School in Pennsylvania, which was the prototype for these schools in which Indigenous children were made to &quot;assimilate&quot; into American society, is a place that represents great suffering, and I am not sure that all historians are aware of this, so I would ask those who study this topic or reference it, to consider the point of view of the three people I just mentioned--three people who are three among thousands. I guess you could say that my friends could be considered primary sources on this subject. I bring this up to show how far we still have to go in understanding our history as a nation. Jim is absolutely correct in pointing that out.

Kevin,

Sorry I went long as well.

Jim,

If I offended you in any way, my apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Jim&#8217;s response has highlighted a problem with blogging history. A reader who is not a historian comes into a conversation that is ongoing, and thus, does not have a frame of reference within which to converse, as do historians who are interacting, and/or readers who follow the blog. Also, just because a man or woman is not a trained historian does not lessen his or her capacity to understand our past, and maybe even understand it better than a historian. So, I think we should be careful in our thinking. Jim has pointed out a much broader frame of reference that does need to be taken into account when studying the history of the Civil War&#8211;the history of slavery in western civilization, and how all of the west is culpable not to a small, but to a very large degree. The men who financed a slave ship in England, or profited from slavery in the Northern and Southern US, were no less culpable than the men who actually beat a slave in Mississippi, Virginia, or Alabama. That is not to mitigate responsibility for the legacy of slavery in the South. That is to strive to reach a true understanding of our history.  I am from the South. My ancestors are from the South. My ancestors fought on the side of the Confederacy, yet in succeeding generations after the Civil War my ancestors fought for the rights of black men and women (which is not to say that they did anything special, but did what they should have done in the first place) What is the difference in that experience and the experiences of others in the South? In my opinion, the difference is the topic addressed in this blog: how the Civil War was remembered. Robert E Lee was not a hero, nor was he a villain. He was simply a general. Stonewall Jackson was not even a name I knew, until I had to memorize it for a history test. Confederate flags were nowhere to be found in my house, or in my neighborhood. (actually the history emphasized in my area was the history of the Jamestown colony) Drilling a little deeper, it has now become apparent that not all Confederates were happy to be Confederates, and again, that is not to mitigate responsibility. It is to state what is becoming increasingly apparent through the research of others. My point is that the involvement of my family in fighting Jim Crow and working for the rights of black men and women during the civil rights era came from within the culture of the South itself.  I wish they had fought for black men and women before the Civil War, but they didn&#8217;t. In the end, they did, though, in their actions after the war, and no doubt so did many others who are silent on the subject, or who are lost to history. The writing of the history of the Civil War is a work in progress, as is the writing of the history of our nation, and of western civilization itself.  I believe that this will become ever more apparent as the voices of Indigenous men and women become an integral part of American history, rather than a &#8220;footnote&#8221; to American history, as has been the case in the past. For example, I have three friends who have direct experience of boarding schools in the US and residential schools in Canada. Needless to say, the Carlisle Industrial School in Pennsylvania, which was the prototype for these schools in which Indigenous children were made to &#8220;assimilate&#8221; into American society, is a place that represents great suffering, and I am not sure that all historians are aware of this, so I would ask those who study this topic or reference it, to consider the point of view of the three people I just mentioned&#8211;three people who are three among thousands. I guess you could say that my friends could be considered primary sources on this subject. I bring this up to show how far we still have to go in understanding our history as a nation. Jim is absolutely correct in pointing that out.</p>
<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>Sorry I went long as well.</p>
<p>Jim,</p>
<p>If I offended you in any way, my apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Rowe</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/04/02/what-is-your-end-goal-part-1/#comment-6798</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim:

I&#039;ll take it even a step further than Kevin has. He states &quot;My main historical interest is that of the United States, in large, part because this is where I make my home. That historians make decisions on a particular time and region should not come as any surprise.&quot; There are a host of historians in Texas, where I live, whose sole region of interest is the state of Texas. We teach it as a subject in seventh grade here. It&#039;s what I teach.

While Kevin and other historians choose to narrow their focus, its not because they feel the need to ignore any aspect of history. Recorded human history is between 6,000 and 7,000 years. Academic historians and, in my opinion, any casual student of history who focuses on a particular era or region does so for the intensive study it provides, not because they are under any impression that it is the only part of history that should receive focus. I&#039;ll equate it to medicine. Do you think any less of a doctor because he or she chooses to specialize in cardiac medicine over general practice?

Experiences in life necessarily influence students and teachers of history, narrowing the focus for a variety of reasons. Kevin has offered us at least one of  his reasons for narrowing his focus. I was raised in Texas and trace my roots seven generations in the state. That narrows my focus to Texas history, though I also study the US Constitution, Jacksonian Politics and the Civil War and Reconstruction. Why do I study these specific eras, topics and regions? I&#039;ve briefly explained Texas. I had the fortunate opportunity to take an elective in high school focusing on the Constitution in addition to the regular civics class and I have continued to study the document that, from my observations, many Americans have little actual knowledge. The age of Andrew Jackson solidified the two-party system in this country, and while there are those who believe that it is the bane of our society, I find the balancing effect of multiple viewpoints is probably what has, ultimately, helped us survive an event like the Civil War.

But why do I choose to study the Civil War? I&#039;ve outlined it on my own blog, so I won&#039;t belabor the point. Suffice it to say, after witnessing events surrounding the dragging death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas in 1998 while a rookie reporter left me with a distinct question of whether Southern gentlemen like Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson were social and political schizophrenics. I went searching for answers. Some I found right away. No one has ever called the character of men like Lee and Jackson, or even Jefferson Davis, into question. They were good men with ideas that were incompatible with a broad definition of equality. Do I believe the nation should have literally split and fought itself over the issue? No, but that&#039;s because we have built into our Consitution a means of peaceful resistance. It&#039;s called an election. That neither side would accept this method of resolving the dispute is a travesty we are still living with today. Other answers were more difficult to wrap my head around. Sure, some Southerners were defending their homeland, but then I ran into Unionists (later discovering I have some in the family tree) and disgruntled Confederates. And that&#039;s only the white Southerners. Basically, I got into a study of the Civil War to try and prove that Lee and Jackson, guys I had long admired, even put on a pedestal, were worthy of the hero worship I had heaped upon them after learning about them in grade school. I just accepted the fact that everybody in the South was a Confederate, except slaves. While it took a man dying and me witnessing the aftermath to begin questioning that and, even then, it took the better part of ten years of study and research to finally come to the conclusion they were just men and men make mistakes and somtimes support the wrong ideas.

Call the war anything you want, but, in the end, it was a war of ideas and ideas are hard to kill. Look at the 150 years since then and that becomes painfully visible. &quot;These United States&quot; are not exceptional because we are better than everybody else in the world. &quot;The United States&quot; is exceptional because its citizens, even though it has taken a long time and there is still work to be done, learn to be better people as they live through a variety of circumstances, both good and bad.

And, please, don&#039;t judge historians because they choose to focus or for their reasons for doing so. The fact that they do makes us better students of history because historians have given us a body of literature that looks much deeper than the one-dimensional ideas presented in a survey course or general history text. While I have only recently come to appreciate this in its full impact, I wouldn&#039;t want it any other way.

Kevin:

I&#039;m sorry this went long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take it even a step further than Kevin has. He states &#8220;My main historical interest is that of the United States, in large, part because this is where I make my home. That historians make decisions on a particular time and region should not come as any surprise.&#8221; There are a host of historians in Texas, where I live, whose sole region of interest is the state of Texas. We teach it as a subject in seventh grade here. It&#8217;s what I teach.</p>
<p>While Kevin and other historians choose to narrow their focus, its not because they feel the need to ignore any aspect of history. Recorded human history is between 6,000 and 7,000 years. Academic historians and, in my opinion, any casual student of history who focuses on a particular era or region does so for the intensive study it provides, not because they are under any impression that it is the only part of history that should receive focus. I&#8217;ll equate it to medicine. Do you think any less of a doctor because he or she chooses to specialize in cardiac medicine over general practice?</p>
<p>Experiences in life necessarily influence students and teachers of history, narrowing the focus for a variety of reasons. Kevin has offered us at least one of  his reasons for narrowing his focus. I was raised in Texas and trace my roots seven generations in the state. That narrows my focus to Texas history, though I also study the US Constitution, Jacksonian Politics and the Civil War and Reconstruction. Why do I study these specific eras, topics and regions? I&#8217;ve briefly explained Texas. I had the fortunate opportunity to take an elective in high school focusing on the Constitution in addition to the regular civics class and I have continued to study the document that, from my observations, many Americans have little actual knowledge. The age of Andrew Jackson solidified the two-party system in this country, and while there are those who believe that it is the bane of our society, I find the balancing effect of multiple viewpoints is probably what has, ultimately, helped us survive an event like the Civil War.</p>
<p>But why do I choose to study the Civil War? I&#8217;ve outlined it on my own blog, so I won&#8217;t belabor the point. Suffice it to say, after witnessing events surrounding the dragging death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas in 1998 while a rookie reporter left me with a distinct question of whether Southern gentlemen like Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson were social and political schizophrenics. I went searching for answers. Some I found right away. No one has ever called the character of men like Lee and Jackson, or even Jefferson Davis, into question. They were good men with ideas that were incompatible with a broad definition of equality. Do I believe the nation should have literally split and fought itself over the issue? No, but that&#8217;s because we have built into our Consitution a means of peaceful resistance. It&#8217;s called an election. That neither side would accept this method of resolving the dispute is a travesty we are still living with today. Other answers were more difficult to wrap my head around. Sure, some Southerners were defending their homeland, but then I ran into Unionists (later discovering I have some in the family tree) and disgruntled Confederates. And that&#8217;s only the white Southerners. Basically, I got into a study of the Civil War to try and prove that Lee and Jackson, guys I had long admired, even put on a pedestal, were worthy of the hero worship I had heaped upon them after learning about them in grade school. I just accepted the fact that everybody in the South was a Confederate, except slaves. While it took a man dying and me witnessing the aftermath to begin questioning that and, even then, it took the better part of ten years of study and research to finally come to the conclusion they were just men and men make mistakes and somtimes support the wrong ideas.</p>
<p>Call the war anything you want, but, in the end, it was a war of ideas and ideas are hard to kill. Look at the 150 years since then and that becomes painfully visible. &#8220;These United States&#8221; are not exceptional because we are better than everybody else in the world. &#8220;The United States&#8221; is exceptional because its citizens, even though it has taken a long time and there is still work to be done, learn to be better people as they live through a variety of circumstances, both good and bad.</p>
<p>And, please, don&#8217;t judge historians because they choose to focus or for their reasons for doing so. The fact that they do makes us better students of history because historians have given us a body of literature that looks much deeper than the one-dimensional ideas presented in a survey course or general history text. While I have only recently come to appreciate this in its full impact, I wouldn&#8217;t want it any other way.</p>
<p>Kevin:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry this went long.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/04/02/what-is-your-end-goal-part-1/#comment-6793</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

You are very welcome.  I find that the true insights only come on that deep level, but than again, I was trained in analytical philosophy which emphasizes detail.  Much of what is out there is one-dimensional.  I like to consider this blog as one place where you can find a sustained critique of some of these deeply-ingrained themes. Others, of course, may disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>You are very welcome.  I find that the true insights only come on that deep level, but than again, I was trained in analytical philosophy which emphasizes detail.  Much of what is out there is one-dimensional.  I like to consider this blog as one place where you can find a sustained critique of some of these deeply-ingrained themes. Others, of course, may disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/04/02/what-is-your-end-goal-part-1/#comment-6792</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the book reference which I should read.  I&#039;m not sure what response you were looking for from me regarding your experience; however, one reason I interpret you the way I do could be that I&#039;m no historian and I desire the big picture context which you already possess.  So I can see the necessity of a historian having to drill down as far as one can go into a subject.  At the same time I fail to understand why you have to be &quot;careful&quot; in describing the motivations of your focus here.  And I&#039;m trying to grasp race relations being interpreted through the American South and what often appears to be one-dimensional views of Confederate history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the book reference which I should read.  I&#8217;m not sure what response you were looking for from me regarding your experience; however, one reason I interpret you the way I do could be that I&#8217;m no historian and I desire the big picture context which you already possess.  So I can see the necessity of a historian having to drill down as far as one can go into a subject.  At the same time I fail to understand why you have to be &#8220;careful&#8221; in describing the motivations of your focus here.  And I&#8217;m trying to grasp race relations being interpreted through the American South and what often appears to be one-dimensional views of Confederate history.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

Again, I do not take offense to your comments.  I was, however, a bit surprised at how little you had to say in response to my post.  I am trying to be as honest and as careful as I can in responding to your question re: my interest in the Civil War.

Of course, slavery must be understood on a global level.  That said, why are you surprised that someone would focus on one aspect of it.  My main historical interest is that of the United States, in large, part because this is where I make my home.  That historians make decisions on a particular time and region should not come as any surprise.  I personally find that it takes a great deal of time and effort to come to any serious understand of a subject w/o making those kinds of decisions.  You are the one who keeps coming back to the &quot;blame&quot; game.  My interest in the history of slavery in this country has absolutely nothing to do with blaming or vindicating anything.  History for me is a tool to help to better understand the present and my place in it.  

David Brion Davis&#039;s history of world survey is well worth your time if you have not already read it: Inhuman Bondage: The Rise and Fall of Slavery in the New World (Oxford University Press, 2008): http://www.amazon.com/Inhuman-Bondage-Rise-Slavery-World/dp/0195339444/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1238940535&amp;sr=8-1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>Again, I do not take offense to your comments.  I was, however, a bit surprised at how little you had to say in response to my post.  I am trying to be as honest and as careful as I can in responding to your question re: my interest in the Civil War.</p>
<p>Of course, slavery must be understood on a global level.  That said, why are you surprised that someone would focus on one aspect of it.  My main historical interest is that of the United States, in large, part because this is where I make my home.  That historians make decisions on a particular time and region should not come as any surprise.  I personally find that it takes a great deal of time and effort to come to any serious understand of a subject w/o making those kinds of decisions.  You are the one who keeps coming back to the &#8220;blame&#8221; game.  My interest in the history of slavery in this country has absolutely nothing to do with blaming or vindicating anything.  History for me is a tool to help to better understand the present and my place in it.  </p>
<p>David Brion Davis&#8217;s history of world survey is well worth your time if you have not already read it: Inhuman Bondage: The Rise and Fall of Slavery in the New World (Oxford University Press, 2008): <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Inhuman-Bondage-Rise-Slavery-World/dp/0195339444/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1238940535&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Inhuman-Bondage-Rise-Slavery-World/dp/0195339444/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1238940535&#038;sr=8-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 13:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss a meeting or something?  I thought I asked a simple straightforward question - sorry if I offended, but I didn&#039;t mean to do so.  Re: Bob&#039;s suggestion that I don&#039;t think the CW was over slavery, I will say that I DO think that slavery, i.e. Constitutionally-legal real property was a major part of the issue along with protection from invasion, but only in that slavery was a competing economic model.  I also believe that there was moral parity among whites between the American regions regarding race.  

Lastly, unlike Kevin who focuses solely on the South, WHERE I&#039;M STILL SEEKING ANSWERS AS TO WHY, I understand slavery in a global context.  Examples include the overwhelming majority of slaves were transported under England&#039;s command, that other nations like Brazil and the Carribean took the vast majority of slaves rather than America, that slavery existed in all regions of America, and that other nations like Brazil again had slavery longer than America did.  In light of these truths, I still see an inordinate amount of blame on the Confederacy and the American South for all things slavery.  Instead of discussing the issues here, I feel that we are dancing around them many times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I miss a meeting or something?  I thought I asked a simple straightforward question &#8211; sorry if I offended, but I didn&#8217;t mean to do so.  Re: Bob&#8217;s suggestion that I don&#8217;t think the CW was over slavery, I will say that I DO think that slavery, i.e. Constitutionally-legal real property was a major part of the issue along with protection from invasion, but only in that slavery was a competing economic model.  I also believe that there was moral parity among whites between the American regions regarding race.  </p>
<p>Lastly, unlike Kevin who focuses solely on the South, WHERE I&#8217;M STILL SEEKING ANSWERS AS TO WHY, I understand slavery in a global context.  Examples include the overwhelming majority of slaves were transported under England&#8217;s command, that other nations like Brazil and the Carribean took the vast majority of slaves rather than America, that slavery existed in all regions of America, and that other nations like Brazil again had slavery longer than America did.  In light of these truths, I still see an inordinate amount of blame on the Confederacy and the American South for all things slavery.  Instead of discussing the issues here, I feel that we are dancing around them many times.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherree Tannen</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/04/02/what-is-your-end-goal-part-1/#comment-6776</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherree Tannen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He looked at me and said &#039;I can do that but you can’t&#039;&quot;. I told him that was a slave word and I did not understand why it would come out of the mouth of a black man. &quot;

It has to do with intent. My mother&#039;s best friend, who was black, used to refer endearingly to my mother in a phrase that included that word. And I have heard the word used often by the black community in informal conversation as black men and women talked about themselves, to each other, and to my mother and father at our house.  On the other hand, a friend of mine who still carries deep scars from the days of integration told me that when she was in history class the teacher, who was a woman, loved to use the word &quot;Negress&quot;. This word is no longer used and should not be. In class, as my friend tried to disappear into that sea of white faces, you can just imagine how she felt as the teacher used the word with ill intent. We, the renegade white and black students, leveled the playing field, though, by calling this teacher &quot;bluebeard&quot;, because of the teacher&#039;s moustache. 

As one of your fellow bloggers has noted, Kevin, the renegade South and renegade Southerners of all races have always been here. Glad you could join us.  Also, this post, and the post that prompted it, bring up fascinating subjects that deserve attention, in my opinion. For example: how did racism develop differently in the North and the South, and why? How is that connected, or not connected, to the legacy of slavery, and the way in which the Civil War was remembered in both regions? The North was supposed to be the promised land for freed slaves, but it wasn&#039;t.  Why? Neither, of course, was the South. But we know why on that one. (Does this really need to be said? Are there actually people who don&#039;t know this?!?) I lived for five years in a major Northern city. I know the North is not the promised land. You do, too, and so do many others. Thanks again for having the courage to post this experience. Racism never stopped at the Mason Dixon line. It had its most brutal expression below it for quite a long time, though. Anyone who says it didn&#039;t is either ill informed or unable to face the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He looked at me and said &#8216;I can do that but you can’t&#8217;&#8221;. I told him that was a slave word and I did not understand why it would come out of the mouth of a black man. &#8221;</p>
<p>It has to do with intent. My mother&#8217;s best friend, who was black, used to refer endearingly to my mother in a phrase that included that word. And I have heard the word used often by the black community in informal conversation as black men and women talked about themselves, to each other, and to my mother and father at our house.  On the other hand, a friend of mine who still carries deep scars from the days of integration told me that when she was in history class the teacher, who was a woman, loved to use the word &#8220;Negress&#8221;. This word is no longer used and should not be. In class, as my friend tried to disappear into that sea of white faces, you can just imagine how she felt as the teacher used the word with ill intent. We, the renegade white and black students, leveled the playing field, though, by calling this teacher &#8220;bluebeard&#8221;, because of the teacher&#8217;s moustache. </p>
<p>As one of your fellow bloggers has noted, Kevin, the renegade South and renegade Southerners of all races have always been here. Glad you could join us.  Also, this post, and the post that prompted it, bring up fascinating subjects that deserve attention, in my opinion. For example: how did racism develop differently in the North and the South, and why? How is that connected, or not connected, to the legacy of slavery, and the way in which the Civil War was remembered in both regions? The North was supposed to be the promised land for freed slaves, but it wasn&#8217;t.  Why? Neither, of course, was the South. But we know why on that one. (Does this really need to be said? Are there actually people who don&#8217;t know this?!?) I lived for five years in a major Northern city. I know the North is not the promised land. You do, too, and so do many others. Thanks again for having the courage to post this experience. Racism never stopped at the Mason Dixon line. It had its most brutal expression below it for quite a long time, though. Anyone who says it didn&#8217;t is either ill informed or unable to face the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/04/02/what-is-your-end-goal-part-1/#comment-6771</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When  I was in my mid-20s I remember going to Cheraw, SC to help remodel a retail store.  I knew the store manager well, he was black.  I was standing beside him when he called one of his employees the &quot;N&quot; word.  He looked at me and said &quot;I can do that but you can&#039;t&quot;.  I told him that was a slave word and I did not understand why it would come out of the mouth of a black man.  My point in telling this story is that slavery has left deep scars in both the minds of blacks and whites.  If you are interrested in Race the South is the place to look, thats where the most black/white interaction occured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When  I was in my mid-20s I remember going to Cheraw, SC to help remodel a retail store.  I knew the store manager well, he was black.  I was standing beside him when he called one of his employees the &#8220;N&#8221; word.  He looked at me and said &#8220;I can do that but you can&#8217;t&#8221;.  I told him that was a slave word and I did not understand why it would come out of the mouth of a black man.  My point in telling this story is that slavery has left deep scars in both the minds of blacks and whites.  If you are interrested in Race the South is the place to look, thats where the most black/white interaction occured.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherree Tannen</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/04/02/what-is-your-end-goal-part-1/#comment-6770</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherree Tannen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even if we remove the racial component, the &#039;racists&#039; would still find some difference to make as leverage to force their will upon others (thus regardless or race, creed or color). &quot;

This is so true. It is also the fault line along which racism meets sexism. The key component is the quest for power over another. In fact, many feminist thinkers have suggested that sexism is actually the root &quot;nerve&quot; of racism and classism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even if we remove the racial component, the &#8216;racists&#8217; would still find some difference to make as leverage to force their will upon others (thus regardless or race, creed or color). &#8221;</p>
<p>This is so true. It is also the fault line along which racism meets sexism. The key component is the quest for power over another. In fact, many feminist thinkers have suggested that sexism is actually the root &#8220;nerve&#8221; of racism and classism.</p>
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