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	<title>Comments on: Earl Ijames&#8217;s &#8220;Colored Confederates&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/05/11/earl-ijamess-colored-confederates/#comment-10733</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reference.  I actually cited it in a previous post at the time of the magazine&#039;s publication.  I appreciate your involvement on this forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reference.  I actually cited it in a previous post at the time of the magazine&#8217;s publication.  I appreciate your involvement on this forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Lowry</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/05/11/earl-ijamess-colored-confederates/#comment-10732</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Lowry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foolish me. I guess some are that deluded. When I think of the &quot;birthers,&quot; and the flat-earthers, I may have muddied the waters.

For my article about some REAL colored Confederate soldiers, see North &amp; South magazine, June 2009, pages 58-60.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foolish me. I guess some are that deluded. When I think of the &#8220;birthers,&#8221; and the flat-earthers, I may have muddied the waters.</p>
<p>For my article about some REAL colored Confederate soldiers, see North &amp; South magazine, June 2009, pages 58-60.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/05/11/earl-ijamess-colored-confederates/#comment-10730</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Very funny, Tom, but unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who will now cite this as evidence for black Confederate soldiers.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Very funny, Tom, but unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who will now cite this as evidence for black Confederate soldiers.  <img src='http://cwmemory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom Lowry</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/05/11/earl-ijamess-colored-confederates/#comment-10727</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Lowry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there were colored Confederates. In late December 1864, the governor of South Carolina secretly authorized the formation of the 28th South Carolina Infantry, an all black regiment with white officers.  (Tradition holds that their commander, Colonel &quot;J,&quot; later served as president of a Louisiana insurance company.) The 827 men who volunteered were offered their freedom and a bounty of $100 Confederate money. After brief training, they reportedly fought bravely February 1, 1865 at Whippy Swamp Creek and at Fishburn&#039;s Plantation on February 6. When the war ended, the regiment was sworn to secrecy and all records destroyed. A thorough search in National Archives showed nothing of the 28th SC, confirming the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there were colored Confederates. In late December 1864, the governor of South Carolina secretly authorized the formation of the 28th South Carolina Infantry, an all black regiment with white officers.  (Tradition holds that their commander, Colonel &#8220;J,&#8221; later served as president of a Louisiana insurance company.) The 827 men who volunteered were offered their freedom and a bounty of $100 Confederate money. After brief training, they reportedly fought bravely February 1, 1865 at Whippy Swamp Creek and at Fishburn&#8217;s Plantation on February 6. When the war ended, the regiment was sworn to secrecy and all records destroyed. A thorough search in National Archives showed nothing of the 28th SC, confirming the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/05/11/earl-ijamess-colored-confederates/#comment-9646</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,

Thanks for the reference.  Unfortunately, without any additional information there isn&#039;t much that one can do with this short snippet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,</p>
<p>Thanks for the reference.  Unfortunately, without any additional information there isn&#8217;t much that one can do with this short snippet.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

I came across this entry and thought some of your readers might be interested.

March 4 [1862], Tuesday
A part of General Sumner&#039;s division made an advance today. Some of the pickets stationed about 3/4 mile on our left of the railroad were fired on today by an old Negro, but they were too quick for him and he was shot through the heart and otherwise badly mangled. He lies there about half buried. I went on guard duty from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m.

Caynor, William L. Sr., ed. Without a Scratch: Diary of Corporal William Homes Morse Color Bearer of the 5th Maine Infantry. N.p.: 2007. (ISBN 978-1-56837-406-2)

Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>I came across this entry and thought some of your readers might be interested.</p>
<p>March 4 [1862], Tuesday<br />
A part of General Sumner&#8217;s division made an advance today. Some of the pickets stationed about 3/4 mile on our left of the railroad were fired on today by an old Negro, but they were too quick for him and he was shot through the heart and otherwise badly mangled. He lies there about half buried. I went on guard duty from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m.</p>
<p>Caynor, William L. Sr., ed. Without a Scratch: Diary of Corporal William Homes Morse Color Bearer of the 5th Maine Infantry. N.p.: 2007. (ISBN 978-1-56837-406-2)</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/05/11/earl-ijamess-colored-confederates/#comment-9005</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earl,

Thanks for the comment.  I couldn&#039;t agree more that slaves deserve to be recognized for their experiences.  As you well know historians have only in the last few decades seriously considered their history and experiences beyond the narrowness and racism of the Lost Cause.  

My problem with your involvement in the Weary Clyburn commemoration was that his identity as a slave was obscured by the Sons of Confederate Veterans who chose to acknowledge him for some military role.  You of all people should know that this is a distortion and as a historian it was your responsibility to correct them.  

Finally, when are you going to get around to addressing the case of Pvt. Venable that you threw in my face?  Supposedly this is a real black Confederate soldiers.  Don&#039;t you want to defend your reputation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earl,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.  I couldn&#8217;t agree more that slaves deserve to be recognized for their experiences.  As you well know historians have only in the last few decades seriously considered their history and experiences beyond the narrowness and racism of the Lost Cause.  </p>
<p>My problem with your involvement in the Weary Clyburn commemoration was that his identity as a slave was obscured by the Sons of Confederate Veterans who chose to acknowledge him for some military role.  You of all people should know that this is a distortion and as a historian it was your responsibility to correct them.  </p>
<p>Finally, when are you going to get around to addressing the case of Pvt. Venable that you threw in my face?  Supposedly this is a real black Confederate soldiers.  Don&#8217;t you want to defend your reputation?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/05/11/earl-ijamess-colored-confederates/#comment-9004</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[I accidentally deleted this comment from Earl Ijames so I must include it under my name]

Kevin is correct in saying that slaves were not &quot;soldiers&quot;.  Heck, slaves were not even counted in the census.  Remember, they were &quot;property&quot;, only 3/5 human... so why would one expect to see them listed on a muster roll.

The enslaved population in the South has rarely been credited with doing anything, much less partaking in the &quot;Glory&quot; of the War.

Earl L. Ijames, Curator
North Carolina Museum of History
5 East Edenton Street
Raleigh, N. C. 27601-1101
(tel)  919.807.7961
(fax) 919.715.6628
earl.ijames@ncdcr.gov</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[I accidentally deleted this comment from Earl Ijames so I must include it under my name]</p>
<p>Kevin is correct in saying that slaves were not &#8220;soldiers&#8221;.  Heck, slaves were not even counted in the census.  Remember, they were &#8220;property&#8221;, only 3/5 human&#8230; so why would one expect to see them listed on a muster roll.</p>
<p>The enslaved population in the South has rarely been credited with doing anything, much less partaking in the &#8220;Glory&#8221; of the War.</p>
<p>Earl L. Ijames, Curator<br />
North Carolina Museum of History<br />
5 East Edenton Street<br />
Raleigh, N. C. 27601-1101<br />
(tel)  919.807.7961<br />
(fax) 919.715.6628<br />
<a href="mailto:earl.ijames@ncdcr.gov">earl.ijames@ncdcr.gov</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/05/11/earl-ijamess-colored-confederates/#comment-8995</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 20:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

Thanks for the comment, though there is no need that I will &quot;flippantly dismiss&quot; anything unless it deserves to be.  Yes, there were a small number of black slaveowners in South Carolina as well as elsewhere.  Not enough has been done in terms of research, but I assume since you mentioned S.C. that you are aware of Larry Koger&#039;s _Black Slaveowners_ (University of South Carolina Press) http://www.amazon.com/Black-Slaveowners-Masters-Carolina-1790-1860/dp/1570030375/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1243543051&amp;sr=8-1

As for whether any served in the Confederate army you are going to have to get your hands dirty in the archives.  Your distinction between slaves and draftees makes little sense.  Draftees served as soldiers in the army and deserve to be recognized as such.  A slave was not soldiers.  The citizen soldier is a function of an obligation in a free society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment, though there is no need that I will &#8220;flippantly dismiss&#8221; anything unless it deserves to be.  Yes, there were a small number of black slaveowners in South Carolina as well as elsewhere.  Not enough has been done in terms of research, but I assume since you mentioned S.C. that you are aware of Larry Koger&#8217;s _Black Slaveowners_ (University of South Carolina Press) <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Black-Slaveowners-Masters-Carolina-1790-1860/dp/1570030375/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1243543051&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Black-Slaveowners-Masters-Carolina-1790-1860/dp/1570030375/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1243543051&amp;sr=8-1</a></p>
<p>As for whether any served in the Confederate army you are going to have to get your hands dirty in the archives.  Your distinction between slaves and draftees makes little sense.  Draftees served as soldiers in the army and deserve to be recognized as such.  A slave was not soldiers.  The citizen soldier is a function of an obligation in a free society.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 20:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin

I would be curious to know what your response would be to the existence of black slaveowners. There were a surprising number of blacks who owned slaves, particularly in Charleston SC and in New Orleans. Would they not have fought to defend the peculiar institution as well? As for other Confederate Blacks, Kevin Levin would flippantly dismiss their service “because they were slaves.” Even if that statement were true, is that reason enough to ignore their legacy? How many white soldiers on both the Union and Confederate sides were drafted and forced to fight as well? Should we forget about their service too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin</p>
<p>I would be curious to know what your response would be to the existence of black slaveowners. There were a surprising number of blacks who owned slaves, particularly in Charleston SC and in New Orleans. Would they not have fought to defend the peculiar institution as well? As for other Confederate Blacks, Kevin Levin would flippantly dismiss their service “because they were slaves.” Even if that statement were true, is that reason enough to ignore their legacy? How many white soldiers on both the Union and Confederate sides were drafted and forced to fight as well? Should we forget about their service too?</p>
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