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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;The War Between the States&#8221;: Homeschool Style</title>
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		<title>By: John Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/07/04/the-war-between-the-states-homeschool-style/#comment-10120</link>
		<dc:creator>John Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REF: Homeschooled and Christian academy students 

I get an interesting confluence between the referenced group and my work as a Scout leader.  Not only am I a Scoutmaster but i am also a merit badge counselro for the citizebship merit badges as well as American Heritage.  Since I live right off of the Petersburg NBP our local history tends to be Civil War centric.  And in many of these sessions I run into Scouts who have a very different interpretation of history....an interrpetation that often goes against the tenets of Scouting and the importance of citizenship.  In most instances I can tie the Scouts response to &quot;that is what I was taught at XXXX academy.&quot; or &quot;...that is what my Mom taught me in home school.&quot;  In those cases I ask to speak to the parent.  If we can not come to a meeting of the minds on the requirements being fulfilled IAW what the Scouts have established as correct, then I advise the parent and Scout to find a new merit badge counselor.  I usually then hand a Scout leader application form to the parent and that usually scares them off!!!

Oh, and as for my religious affiliation?  As a result of 12 years of Catholic school I am now a devout lapsed Catholic.</description>
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<p>I get an interesting confluence between the referenced group and my work as a Scout leader.  Not only am I a Scoutmaster but i am also a merit badge counselro for the citizebship merit badges as well as American Heritage.  Since I live right off of the Petersburg NBP our local history tends to be Civil War centric.  And in many of these sessions I run into Scouts who have a very different interpretation of history&#8230;.an interrpetation that often goes against the tenets of Scouting and the importance of citizenship.  In most instances I can tie the Scouts response to &#8220;that is what I was taught at XXXX academy.&#8221; or &#8220;&#8230;that is what my Mom taught me in home school.&#8221;  In those cases I ask to speak to the parent.  If we can not come to a meeting of the minds on the requirements being fulfilled IAW what the Scouts have established as correct, then I advise the parent and Scout to find a new merit badge counselor.  I usually then hand a Scout leader application form to the parent and that usually scares them off!!!</p>
<p>Oh, and as for my religious affiliation?  As a result of 12 years of Catholic school I am now a devout lapsed Catholic.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca July 4, 2009 at 7:36 am
This is pretty sick, Kevin, especially the gratuitous abortion reference. I suppose the authors of this filth overlook the appalling infant mortality among enslaved babies? I just looked this up in one of my lectures: 1/5 of enslaved children died before the age of five, and fewer than 2/3 lived to the age of 10. Yeah, let’s celebrate that! Enslaved people also stood a 50% chance of being sold away from their families. Walter Johnson estimates that 25% of the domestic slave trade resulted in the destruction of a marriage and 50% of the trade destroyed nuclear families. Yeah, family values! It makes me ill to think of children learning those “facts.”

Rebecca I have been looking for that type of information for awhile. What source did you get your info from ? 
                                                                                                           Thanks,
                                                                                                                  William</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca July 4, 2009 at 7:36 am<br />
This is pretty sick, Kevin, especially the gratuitous abortion reference. I suppose the authors of this filth overlook the appalling infant mortality among enslaved babies? I just looked this up in one of my lectures: 1/5 of enslaved children died before the age of five, and fewer than 2/3 lived to the age of 10. Yeah, let’s celebrate that! Enslaved people also stood a 50% chance of being sold away from their families. Walter Johnson estimates that 25% of the domestic slave trade resulted in the destruction of a marriage and 50% of the trade destroyed nuclear families. Yeah, family values! It makes me ill to think of children learning those “facts.”</p>
<p>Rebecca I have been looking for that type of information for awhile. What source did you get your info from ?<br />
                                                                                                           Thanks,<br />
                                                                                                                  William</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

The link to the publisher is in the post.

I hope you understand that I am not about to get into a theological debate about the Bible.  Of course, the Bible is important to understand as it relates to American history.  As for the Bible as spiritual/ethical/moral guide let&#039;s just say that I do not subscribe to any text that advocates slavery in any shape or form and leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>The link to the publisher is in the post.</p>
<p>I hope you understand that I am not about to get into a theological debate about the Bible.  Of course, the Bible is important to understand as it relates to American history.  As for the Bible as spiritual/ethical/moral guide let&#8217;s just say that I do not subscribe to any text that advocates slavery in any shape or form and leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/07/04/the-war-between-the-states-homeschool-style/#comment-9967</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the Text book is junk.  Your dismissal of the Biblical Text as it regulates Slavery historically is distrubing since the Bible is considered by many as a Book of History as well as a guide for the Christian Faith. 
The Bible plays a important Role in Civil War History weather we agree with it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the Text book is junk.  Your dismissal of the Biblical Text as it regulates Slavery historically is distrubing since the Bible is considered by many as a Book of History as well as a guide for the Christian Faith.<br />
The Bible plays a important Role in Civil War History weather we agree with it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This book is a travesty if it conflates defence of States Rights with the defence of slavery.

The South left the Union because they failed to make slavery a national institution, protected by the Federal government under the Fugitive Slave Act.. 

What do libertarians think of the escaped slave Anthony Burns, dragged out of Boston by US Marines with loaded muskets and cannon, to be returned to his master? After that, one of the &quot;Cotton Whig&quot; Lawrences wrote: &quot;We went to bed moderates, we awoke stark, raving Abolitionists&quot;. How could anyone who calls himself a &quot;libertarian&quot; not feel otherwise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This book is a travesty if it conflates defence of States Rights with the defence of slavery.</p>
<p>The South left the Union because they failed to make slavery a national institution, protected by the Federal government under the Fugitive Slave Act.. </p>
<p>What do libertarians think of the escaped slave Anthony Burns, dragged out of Boston by US Marines with loaded muskets and cannon, to be returned to his master? After that, one of the &#8220;Cotton Whig&#8221; Lawrences wrote: &#8220;We went to bed moderates, we awoke stark, raving Abolitionists&#8221;. How could anyone who calls himself a &#8220;libertarian&#8221; not feel otherwise?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I haven&#039;t read the entire book.  Dwyer does mention that the abolitionists were also Christians, but what is so interesting is that he obviously gives much more weight and even strives to place the Confederacy/white southerners on the moral high ground.

James,

I&#039;m glad to hear that at least one homeschooled kid has not been subjected to this book.  I do want to clarify once again that this post is not meant as a commentary on the overall quality of homeschooling.  The comment thread was obviously steered in a certain direction and I responded based on my own experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read the entire book.  Dwyer does mention that the abolitionists were also Christians, but what is so interesting is that he obviously gives much more weight and even strives to place the Confederacy/white southerners on the moral high ground.</p>
<p>James,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear that at least one homeschooled kid has not been subjected to this book.  I do want to clarify once again that this post is not meant as a commentary on the overall quality of homeschooling.  The comment thread was obviously steered in a certain direction and I responded based on my own experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: James F. Epperson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James F. Epperson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allow me to chime in on this.  A couple of months ago, I performed in a musical play that my son&#039;s school did as a fundraiser.  A young man (7th grade?) was my &quot;apprentice.&quot;  He was being home schooled.  I have no idea why, or what the motive was.  But based on several weeks work with this young man, I doubt his home-schooling included this book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to chime in on this.  A couple of months ago, I performed in a musical play that my son&#8217;s school did as a fundraiser.  A young man (7th grade?) was my &#8220;apprentice.&#8221;  He was being home schooled.  I have no idea why, or what the motive was.  But based on several weeks work with this young man, I doubt his home-schooling included this book.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

This is a very disturbing post. First let me point out that I am a Christian. On the other hand, I&#039;ve always been taught, including by my parents, to question authority. That may seem like a contradiction, but it&#039;s really not. My faith teaches me that Christianity is a personal journey, and that my pastors are guides on that road. I am free to disagree with them and find my own path. The idea that Christianity is easy is a fallacy. It is a constant struggle.

More to the point, I saw no mention of the fact that most of the abolitionists were Christians. They, and I, saw slavery as an unmitigated evil. Sorry for the rant but I felt it needed to be said.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>This is a very disturbing post. First let me point out that I am a Christian. On the other hand, I&#8217;ve always been taught, including by my parents, to question authority. That may seem like a contradiction, but it&#8217;s really not. My faith teaches me that Christianity is a personal journey, and that my pastors are guides on that road. I am free to disagree with them and find my own path. The idea that Christianity is easy is a fallacy. It is a constant struggle.</p>
<p>More to the point, I saw no mention of the fact that most of the abolitionists were Christians. They, and I, saw slavery as an unmitigated evil. Sorry for the rant but I felt it needed to be said.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks so much for chiming in on this one.  I have no doubt that my experience and commentary covers only a small niche in the world of homeschooling.  The post was not meant as a reflection on homeschooling, but only on one text that has been marketed to homeschooled children.  The book is problematic to say the least.  My own experience with homeschooled kids is no doubt directly related to the places where I&#039;ve taught.  Thanks again for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for chiming in on this one.  I have no doubt that my experience and commentary covers only a small niche in the world of homeschooling.  The post was not meant as a reflection on homeschooling, but only on one text that has been marketed to homeschooled children.  The book is problematic to say the least.  My own experience with homeschooled kids is no doubt directly related to the places where I&#8217;ve taught.  Thanks again for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark R. Cheathem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark R. Cheathem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin and others:

While certainly there are homeschooled children who are &quot;little robots&quot; who are taught &quot;ridiculous junk,&quot; these misperceptions of homeschooling are dated. Many homeschoolers today are motivated by a combination of factors, which may include religious beliefs, but also encompass the desire for their children to avoid the many problems present in many public (and even private) schools, as well as for their children to be able to think for themselves. Our previous and current homeschooling communities have a diverse membership of those motivated by religion, libertarianism, &quot;unschooling,&quot; classical education, etc., etc. 

In fact, many of our Christian homeschooling friends use a literature-based, classical curriculum that incorporates historical and literary texts from the ancient Mesopotamians, Greeks, Romans, and Hebrews, through Montesquieu, Rousseau, Hegel, Marx, and others. Those children, some of whom I have taught, display a remarkable ability and willingness to consider and analyze arguments to which they do not subscribe and to articulate and analyze intelligently their own arguments.

(According to the U.S. Department of Education, only 30% of homeschoolers choose that form of education primarily for moral or religious instruction, which does not, of course, automatically mean that the parents are indoctrinating religious prejudice, as some might argue. Another 47% choose homeschooling primarily because of dissatisfaction with academic instruction or the environment of other schools.  The study is available at http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2006/homeschool/.)

Sorry to sidetrack your thread, Kevin, but homeschoolers tend to be much more willing to analyze and debate than I think you and others give them credit for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin and others:</p>
<p>While certainly there are homeschooled children who are &#8220;little robots&#8221; who are taught &#8220;ridiculous junk,&#8221; these misperceptions of homeschooling are dated. Many homeschoolers today are motivated by a combination of factors, which may include religious beliefs, but also encompass the desire for their children to avoid the many problems present in many public (and even private) schools, as well as for their children to be able to think for themselves. Our previous and current homeschooling communities have a diverse membership of those motivated by religion, libertarianism, &#8220;unschooling,&#8221; classical education, etc., etc. </p>
<p>In fact, many of our Christian homeschooling friends use a literature-based, classical curriculum that incorporates historical and literary texts from the ancient Mesopotamians, Greeks, Romans, and Hebrews, through Montesquieu, Rousseau, Hegel, Marx, and others. Those children, some of whom I have taught, display a remarkable ability and willingness to consider and analyze arguments to which they do not subscribe and to articulate and analyze intelligently their own arguments.</p>
<p>(According to the U.S. Department of Education, only 30% of homeschoolers choose that form of education primarily for moral or religious instruction, which does not, of course, automatically mean that the parents are indoctrinating religious prejudice, as some might argue. Another 47% choose homeschooling primarily because of dissatisfaction with academic instruction or the environment of other schools.  The study is available at <a href="http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2006/homeschool/" rel="nofollow">http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2006/homeschool/</a>.)</p>
<p>Sorry to sidetrack your thread, Kevin, but homeschoolers tend to be much more willing to analyze and debate than I think you and others give them credit for.</p>
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