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	<title>Comments on: John Stauffer and Sally Jenkins Respond</title>
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		<title>By: Sam Pace</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/07/11/john-stauffer-and-sally-jenkins-respond/#comment-14597</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Pace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 05:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I was born and raised in south Mississippi and am intimately familiar with this story besides all that I&#039;ve read from original sources as well as authors such as you and Mrs. Bynum.  I haven&#039;t yet read what Mrs. Bynum said about your book and I don&#039;t have a dog in this fight.  But I have read your book and in all honesty, I have never read a &quot;history&quot; book that contains so many obvious errors as this one.  It is so fraught with errors that I found it not only difficult to read, but even moreso difficult to seriously consider this book as a thoroughly researched scholarly work to depend on for truth in this subject.  Following are just a handful of the errors I couldn&#039;t help but NOTICE as I struggled to read this book.  Many of them are minor, but nonetheless consequential when the authors claim to be preeminently knowledgeable on their subject matter.  If you can&#039;t get the simple things straight, how can you expect to interpret the more complex parts correctly.

p. 48 &quot;A vast, dark, meandering cypress marsh ran through the region, known as the Dismal Swamp.&quot;
The authors must be confused with the Dismal Swamp located in southeastern Virginia and northeastern North Carolina.  I&#039;ve never heard of or seen Dismal Swamp in south Mississippi.  I can&#039;t even find reference to it on the internet.

p. 49  &quot;...colossal pines that shot sixty feet in the air,...&quot;  These would be middling sized pine trees.  Longleaf pine, which are the predominant native species in the area, easily grow as tall as 100 feet, and before the virgin timber was cut out in the late 1800&#039;s, they reportedly grew as tall as 150 feet tall.

p. 54  &quot;He attempted to impose his morality on a flock full of unruly and unrepentant backwoodsmen, censuring various members for offenses such as drinking, dancing, fiddling, and fornicating.&quot;  It appears the authors completely misunderstand what they have read about Baptists from this time and era.  Devout Baptists, at least in 19th century south Mississippi, truly believed these were evils based on their own experiences and on the Biblical text.  It was common practice to exclude individuals with a democratic vote by the remainder of the congregation if that person had &quot;sinned&quot; and was unrepentant.

pp. 56, 62, 131, etc.  The authors erroneously refer to New Augusta as a town during the time of their story.  New Augusta did not exist until many years later when the railroad from Hattiesburg to Mobile was laid through the county on the south side of Leaf River.  &quot;Old&quot; Augusta, simply known as Augusta during the Civil War, was north of Leaf River and remained the county seat of Perry until 1906.  I&#039;ve got my doubts that McLemore made his headquarters there for the purpose of rounding up deserters in Jones and Covington Counties.  It was an isolated hamlet in a low population density county many miles south of both of these counties.

p. 58  &quot;His kin founded Meridian, the second-largest city in the state,...&quot;  Meridian was founded only in 1860.  Here is a quote from the March 30th 1862 journal entry of William Pitt Chambers, a private in what became company B (the Covington Rebels) of the 46th Regiment Mississippi Infantry.  &quot;I expected to find a &quot;town&quot; at Meridian, but was sadly disappointed.  In fact, there is not a fine building in the place, no stores and no streets.&quot;

p. 76  &quot;He dubbed it &#039;the Rosinheels&#039;, a term for the rearing of an eager horse.  Where did this outlandish definition for Rosin Heels come from?  I evidently made the assumption, being raised in south Mississippi, that its definition was self-apparent.  Obviously not.  Rosin Heels actually refers to pine rosin that commonly sticks to your heels when you walk barefooted in south Mississippi.  It has the same connotation as North Carolina &quot;Tar Heels&quot;.  It would have been a coloquial reference to regional pride.

p. 80  &quot;...an uncontrolled retreat...&quot;  In military terms, even common terms, this is usually coined &quot;a rout&quot;.  I just thought this was strange.

p. 100  &quot;Union forces had seized every other Confederate asset along the Mississippi River: Forts Donelson and Henry,...&quot;  I&#039;m sorry, even the geographically illiterate civil war historian should know that neither of these forts is on the Mississippi River....not even close.

p. 100  &quot;Vicksburg, 225 miles above New Orleans, was the last citadel and stronghold&quot; (on the Mississippi River)  Wrong again, Port Hudson was very much in Confederate control and did not surrender until after Vicksburg.

p. 134  &quot;Their senses were concussed, their ears ringing, and their eyes filled with the bitter cordite smoke.&quot;  (Regarding McLemore&#039;s fellow soldiers immediately after the assassin shot and killed him.)  Once again, cordite was not invented until 1889 in the UK.  One of its advantages over gunpowder was that it was &quot;smokeless&quot;.

Okay, I think I&#039;ve made my point.  No offense Doc, but this wasn&#039;t a very well researched book.  Some of your interpretations are really way off base too.  But that&#039;s a whole &#039;nother issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I was born and raised in south Mississippi and am intimately familiar with this story besides all that I&#8217;ve read from original sources as well as authors such as you and Mrs. Bynum.  I haven&#8217;t yet read what Mrs. Bynum said about your book and I don&#8217;t have a dog in this fight.  But I have read your book and in all honesty, I have never read a &#8220;history&#8221; book that contains so many obvious errors as this one.  It is so fraught with errors that I found it not only difficult to read, but even moreso difficult to seriously consider this book as a thoroughly researched scholarly work to depend on for truth in this subject.  Following are just a handful of the errors I couldn&#8217;t help but NOTICE as I struggled to read this book.  Many of them are minor, but nonetheless consequential when the authors claim to be preeminently knowledgeable on their subject matter.  If you can&#8217;t get the simple things straight, how can you expect to interpret the more complex parts correctly.</p>
<p>p. 48 &#8220;A vast, dark, meandering cypress marsh ran through the region, known as the Dismal Swamp.&#8221;<br />
The authors must be confused with the Dismal Swamp located in southeastern Virginia and northeastern North Carolina.  I&#8217;ve never heard of or seen Dismal Swamp in south Mississippi.  I can&#8217;t even find reference to it on the internet.</p>
<p>p. 49  &#8220;&#8230;colossal pines that shot sixty feet in the air,&#8230;&#8221;  These would be middling sized pine trees.  Longleaf pine, which are the predominant native species in the area, easily grow as tall as 100 feet, and before the virgin timber was cut out in the late 1800&#8242;s, they reportedly grew as tall as 150 feet tall.</p>
<p>p. 54  &#8220;He attempted to impose his morality on a flock full of unruly and unrepentant backwoodsmen, censuring various members for offenses such as drinking, dancing, fiddling, and fornicating.&#8221;  It appears the authors completely misunderstand what they have read about Baptists from this time and era.  Devout Baptists, at least in 19th century south Mississippi, truly believed these were evils based on their own experiences and on the Biblical text.  It was common practice to exclude individuals with a democratic vote by the remainder of the congregation if that person had &#8220;sinned&#8221; and was unrepentant.</p>
<p>pp. 56, 62, 131, etc.  The authors erroneously refer to New Augusta as a town during the time of their story.  New Augusta did not exist until many years later when the railroad from Hattiesburg to Mobile was laid through the county on the south side of Leaf River.  &#8220;Old&#8221; Augusta, simply known as Augusta during the Civil War, was north of Leaf River and remained the county seat of Perry until 1906.  I&#8217;ve got my doubts that McLemore made his headquarters there for the purpose of rounding up deserters in Jones and Covington Counties.  It was an isolated hamlet in a low population density county many miles south of both of these counties.</p>
<p>p. 58  &#8220;His kin founded Meridian, the second-largest city in the state,&#8230;&#8221;  Meridian was founded only in 1860.  Here is a quote from the March 30th 1862 journal entry of William Pitt Chambers, a private in what became company B (the Covington Rebels) of the 46th Regiment Mississippi Infantry.  &#8220;I expected to find a &#8220;town&#8221; at Meridian, but was sadly disappointed.  In fact, there is not a fine building in the place, no stores and no streets.&#8221;</p>
<p>p. 76  &#8220;He dubbed it &#8216;the Rosinheels&#8217;, a term for the rearing of an eager horse.  Where did this outlandish definition for Rosin Heels come from?  I evidently made the assumption, being raised in south Mississippi, that its definition was self-apparent.  Obviously not.  Rosin Heels actually refers to pine rosin that commonly sticks to your heels when you walk barefooted in south Mississippi.  It has the same connotation as North Carolina &#8220;Tar Heels&#8221;.  It would have been a coloquial reference to regional pride.</p>
<p>p. 80  &#8220;&#8230;an uncontrolled retreat&#8230;&#8221;  In military terms, even common terms, this is usually coined &#8220;a rout&#8221;.  I just thought this was strange.</p>
<p>p. 100  &#8220;Union forces had seized every other Confederate asset along the Mississippi River: Forts Donelson and Henry,&#8230;&#8221;  I&#8217;m sorry, even the geographically illiterate civil war historian should know that neither of these forts is on the Mississippi River&#8230;.not even close.</p>
<p>p. 100  &#8220;Vicksburg, 225 miles above New Orleans, was the last citadel and stronghold&#8221; (on the Mississippi River)  Wrong again, Port Hudson was very much in Confederate control and did not surrender until after Vicksburg.</p>
<p>p. 134  &#8220;Their senses were concussed, their ears ringing, and their eyes filled with the bitter cordite smoke.&#8221;  (Regarding McLemore&#8217;s fellow soldiers immediately after the assassin shot and killed him.)  Once again, cordite was not invented until 1889 in the UK.  One of its advantages over gunpowder was that it was &#8220;smokeless&#8221;.</p>
<p>Okay, I think I&#8217;ve made my point.  No offense Doc, but this wasn&#8217;t a very well researched book.  Some of your interpretations are really way off base too.  But that&#8217;s a whole &#8216;nother issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Confessions of a Small-Town Texas Gadfly &#171; Renegade South</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/07/11/john-stauffer-and-sally-jenkins-respond/#comment-12609</link>
		<dc:creator>Confessions of a Small-Town Texas Gadfly &#171; Renegade South</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Internet. Gee, all I did was review their book. They were the ones who asked Kevin Levin of Civil War Memory to let them post a response to that 3-part review, and Kevin graciously did just that. An internet [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Charlie Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/07/11/john-stauffer-and-sally-jenkins-respond/#comment-10551</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, unless this statement:

&lt;i&gt;We do not “claim” that Newton Knight served at Vicksburg; we offer an assessment based on the available sources and acknowledge that any interpretation is necessarily speculative, given the paucity of evidence.  And we also make clear that whether or not Newton was at Vicksburg is ultimately irrelevant to our larger argument about his Unionism.  And yet you and Bynum assert that our interpretation is a major problem, without explaining why.&lt;/i&gt;

...flagrantly mis-states what is in the book, it puts to rest Bynum&#039;s characterization. It would be rare for an author to directly misquote their own published work in order to defend it. Reading the book will I hope provide a much more detailed picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, unless this statement:</p>
<p><i>We do not “claim” that Newton Knight served at Vicksburg; we offer an assessment based on the available sources and acknowledge that any interpretation is necessarily speculative, given the paucity of evidence.  And we also make clear that whether or not Newton was at Vicksburg is ultimately irrelevant to our larger argument about his Unionism.  And yet you and Bynum assert that our interpretation is a major problem, without explaining why.</i></p>
<p>&#8230;flagrantly mis-states what is in the book, it puts to rest Bynum&#8217;s characterization. It would be rare for an author to directly misquote their own published work in order to defend it. Reading the book will I hope provide a much more detailed picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/07/11/john-stauffer-and-sally-jenkins-respond/#comment-10539</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie,

Thanks so much for the comment.  You said: &quot;It does appear that Bynum exaggerated how firmly Stauffer rested claims of fact on undisputedly speculative evidence.&quot;  What are we to make of this point if you admittedly haven&#039;t read the book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the comment.  You said: &#8220;It does appear that Bynum exaggerated how firmly Stauffer rested claims of fact on undisputedly speculative evidence.&#8221;  What are we to make of this point if you admittedly haven&#8217;t read the book?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/07/11/john-stauffer-and-sally-jenkins-respond/#comment-10537</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, a brief disclosure: although it took me a few minutes to recognize John Stauffer&#039;s name, I did photo research for his earlier work, &lt;i&gt;Meteor of War: The John Brown Story&lt;/i&gt; from Brandywine Press, co-authored by Zoe Trodd. I also have ancestors named Jenkins, but know of no direct connection to Stauffer&#039;s present co-author.  I find it difficult to take sides in this debate. Reading Bynum&#039;s critique first, I was shocked at the apparent egoism of Stauffer and Jenkins. Reading Stauffer&#039;s reply, I cannot fathom the narrow-minded name-calling of Bynum. Setting aside the personality disputes, both offer some valid points. It does appear that Bynum exaggerated how firmly Stauffer rested claims of fact on undisputedly speculative evidence.

If everyone recognizes that such research is filling in blanks in a picture we can never be entirely certain of, there seems little to fight over. Bynum is correct that women of African descent didn&#039;t have a lot of choice when approached by a &quot;white&quot; man, but there are many accounts, autobiographical and scholarly, of inter-racial couples which were based on mutual affection. The Delaney sisters&#039; family history, and the more recent book &lt;i&gt;My Confederate Kinfolk&lt;/i&gt; come to mind. If Stauffer and Jenkins suggested that Knight was close to unique, they&#039;ve missed a good deal of the background. One reason southern culture is rife with phrases like &quot;a spoonful of Negro blood&quot; or &quot;a touch of the tar brush&quot; is because inter-racial marriages, or voluntary liaisons, were rife, and most southern families were in fact of partial African descent, although most tried to set it aside. (I generally assume that my mother&#039;s mother&#039;s family is among these families.) I find it difficult to give much credence to debate as to whether the voters of Jones County held a formal meeting to adopt a Constitution of the State of Jones. They were, after all, in the middle of a war. That the county, by and large, successfully resisted Confederate authority and flew the flag of the United States connotes an independent de facto political existence, tied to an evident political loyalty. I look forward to reading ALL the books referenced in this debate, and hopefully overlooking whatever sniping and rivalry may continue between the authors. IF Bynum is motivated by a desire to claim or retain turf, to say so adds nothing to the debate. She would no doubt make that self-evident in the fullness of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, a brief disclosure: although it took me a few minutes to recognize John Stauffer&#8217;s name, I did photo research for his earlier work, <i>Meteor of War: The John Brown Story</i> from Brandywine Press, co-authored by Zoe Trodd. I also have ancestors named Jenkins, but know of no direct connection to Stauffer&#8217;s present co-author.  I find it difficult to take sides in this debate. Reading Bynum&#8217;s critique first, I was shocked at the apparent egoism of Stauffer and Jenkins. Reading Stauffer&#8217;s reply, I cannot fathom the narrow-minded name-calling of Bynum. Setting aside the personality disputes, both offer some valid points. It does appear that Bynum exaggerated how firmly Stauffer rested claims of fact on undisputedly speculative evidence.</p>
<p>If everyone recognizes that such research is filling in blanks in a picture we can never be entirely certain of, there seems little to fight over. Bynum is correct that women of African descent didn&#8217;t have a lot of choice when approached by a &#8220;white&#8221; man, but there are many accounts, autobiographical and scholarly, of inter-racial couples which were based on mutual affection. The Delaney sisters&#8217; family history, and the more recent book <i>My Confederate Kinfolk</i> come to mind. If Stauffer and Jenkins suggested that Knight was close to unique, they&#8217;ve missed a good deal of the background. One reason southern culture is rife with phrases like &#8220;a spoonful of Negro blood&#8221; or &#8220;a touch of the tar brush&#8221; is because inter-racial marriages, or voluntary liaisons, were rife, and most southern families were in fact of partial African descent, although most tried to set it aside. (I generally assume that my mother&#8217;s mother&#8217;s family is among these families.) I find it difficult to give much credence to debate as to whether the voters of Jones County held a formal meeting to adopt a Constitution of the State of Jones. They were, after all, in the middle of a war. That the county, by and large, successfully resisted Confederate authority and flew the flag of the United States connotes an independent de facto political existence, tied to an evident political loyalty. I look forward to reading ALL the books referenced in this debate, and hopefully overlooking whatever sniping and rivalry may continue between the authors. IF Bynum is motivated by a desire to claim or retain turf, to say so adds nothing to the debate. She would no doubt make that self-evident in the fullness of time.</p>
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		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/07/11/john-stauffer-and-sally-jenkins-respond/#comment-10242</link>
		<dc:creator>UNC Press Blog &#187; Web 2.0, Text Wars, and Building the Better Book: How the Internet Changes Everything We Do</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] errors in the text. In response, Jenkins and Stauffer were equally critical of Bynum in a post for Civil War Memory, suggesting that scholarship wasn&#8217;t truly the reason for her displeasure. Community members [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rantings of a Civil War Historian &#187; An Ugly Spat</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/07/11/john-stauffer-and-sally-jenkins-respond/#comment-10238</link>
		<dc:creator>Rantings of a Civil War Historian &#187; An Ugly Spat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Prof. Bynum&#8217;s review of the new book may be found here. John Stauffer and Sally Jenkins responded on Kevin Levin&#8217;s blog. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brooks Simpson</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/07/11/john-stauffer-and-sally-jenkins-respond/#comment-10235</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooks Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/movies/30jones.html?_r=1&amp;hpw

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		<title>By: The State of Jones Debate laquo; Wig-Wags</title>
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		<dc:creator>The State of Jones Debate laquo; Wig-Wags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] leave a comment raquo;  There is a fascinating debate afoot on the new book The State of Jones I mentioned in a post on June 23rd here. Authors John Stauffer and Sally Jenkins respond to the three part review by Vicki Bynum. I suggest that interested readers begin with Dr. Bynum#8217;s review (Part III here) and then make your way over to Kevin Levin#8217;s blog post where the majority of the debate is captured here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rob head</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive read both books; I throughly enjoyed both books. In my unprofessional opinion, I found Ms. Bynums book to be more scholarly in tone; Ms. Jenkins and Dr. Stauffer presented more of a narrative.  I did feel like Ms. Jenkins and Dr. Stauffer fell in love with Newt Knight and made him the center of their book for various reasons.  He is almost mythological, a figure of folklore.  I will say this; for a man to defy the Confederancy the way he did, then to engage in the family life he had during and after Reconstruction in Mississippi and  survive, he must have been one strong willed and violent man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive read both books; I throughly enjoyed both books. In my unprofessional opinion, I found Ms. Bynums book to be more scholarly in tone; Ms. Jenkins and Dr. Stauffer presented more of a narrative.  I did feel like Ms. Jenkins and Dr. Stauffer fell in love with Newt Knight and made him the center of their book for various reasons.  He is almost mythological, a figure of folklore.  I will say this; for a man to defy the Confederancy the way he did, then to engage in the family life he had during and after Reconstruction in Mississippi and  survive, he must have been one strong willed and violent man.</p>
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