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		<title>By: Josh Pyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Pyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 23:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe they&#039;d even consider Exceptionalism. I come from England, and we learn about all the history. Of course, countries tend to skate over their faults, but that shouldn&#039;t be necessary in this day and age.
At our school, we learn that the British ruled and dictated (often brutally) India. That we also had a huge slave trade going on, or that we governed North America for a long time. We&#039;re not proud of it, but it wasn&#039;t us who did it, it was the people alive at the time. Like WWII, it wasn&#039;t good at all, but it wasn&#039;t the Germans alive today who did it.
I just hate the idea that you would ignore parts of history because they don&#039;t fit in an &#039;Exceptional&#039; America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe they&#8217;d even consider Exceptionalism. I come from England, and we learn about all the history. Of course, countries tend to skate over their faults, but that shouldn&#8217;t be necessary in this day and age.<br />
At our school, we learn that the British ruled and dictated (often brutally) India. That we also had a huge slave trade going on, or that we governed North America for a long time. We&#8217;re not proud of it, but it wasn&#8217;t us who did it, it was the people alive at the time. Like WWII, it wasn&#8217;t good at all, but it wasn&#8217;t the Germans alive today who did it.<br />
I just hate the idea that you would ignore parts of history because they don&#8217;t fit in an &#8216;Exceptional&#8217; America.</p>
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		<title>By: Blog 4 History: American &#38; Civil War History &#187; Blog Archive &#187; To the &#8220;Enemy of&#8230; Amercan Exceptionalism&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog 4 History: American &#38; Civil War History &#187; Blog Archive &#187; To the &#8220;Enemy of&#8230; Amercan Exceptionalism&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] writers [link]: I don’t mind admitting that I am an enemy of the notion of ‘American Exceptionalism.’ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/09/18/teaching-history-without-the-negative-stuff/#comment-11205</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Watch Fox news and you will see it weekly.</description>
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		<title>By: matt mckeon</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/09/18/teaching-history-without-the-negative-stuff/#comment-11172</link>
		<dc:creator>matt mckeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is, after school they have to be Americans.  What kind of Americans do you want?





Do you teach about heroes?  Is history and historical events driven by great figures?  A good historian will say no, that in fact that&#039;s the wrong question.  

But we do quite a bit about heroes in my class, whom I define as someone who had to struggle, who had to bleed for what we enjoy today.  Elizabeth Bentley the millgirl, Alice Paul, Medgar Evars and Martin Luther King, what else can we call these people?  Most people go through life without having to pay a personal price for their beliefs or morality.  But at some point we all have exchange comfort for doing the right thing, that&#039;s the price of progress.    If my students could get that from  history class, I&#039;d die a happy man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is, after school they have to be Americans.  What kind of Americans do you want?</p>
<p>Do you teach about heroes?  Is history and historical events driven by great figures?  A good historian will say no, that in fact that&#8217;s the wrong question.  </p>
<p>But we do quite a bit about heroes in my class, whom I define as someone who had to struggle, who had to bleed for what we enjoy today.  Elizabeth Bentley the millgirl, Alice Paul, Medgar Evars and Martin Luther King, what else can we call these people?  Most people go through life without having to pay a personal price for their beliefs or morality.  But at some point we all have exchange comfort for doing the right thing, that&#8217;s the price of progress.    If my students could get that from  history class, I&#8217;d die a happy man.</p>
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		<title>By: matt mckeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt mckeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a veteran high school teacher, I can&#039;t get the students to actually read anything out of the textbook or care about it, so I feel my students are fairly safe from propagandizing from Texas.  To be honest with you, I can&#039;t bear to read it either.

Wrapped up with considering history in a professional way, is the fact I love the United States. I try to get the students to think of being American as something they have to live up to, something positive, a responsibility, not an entitlement.   My crackerjack moralizing doesn&#039;t have much impact either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a veteran high school teacher, I can&#8217;t get the students to actually read anything out of the textbook or care about it, so I feel my students are fairly safe from propagandizing from Texas.  To be honest with you, I can&#8217;t bear to read it either.</p>
<p>Wrapped up with considering history in a professional way, is the fact I love the United States. I try to get the students to think of being American as something they have to live up to, something positive, a responsibility, not an entitlement.   My crackerjack moralizing doesn&#8217;t have much impact either.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crystal,  Thank you for your comment. Your thoughts very much reflect my own on this subject.

Mike,  Who are these &quot;Too many [who] want to run our country down from their places of authority in the public school class room and the college lecture hall&quot; ?  Would they be the ones who avow that Lincoln wanted to be King? Or that Grant was  just an average General?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crystal,  Thank you for your comment. Your thoughts very much reflect my own on this subject.</p>
<p>Mike,  Who are these &#8220;Too many [who] want to run our country down from their places of authority in the public school class room and the college lecture hall&#8221; ?  Would they be the ones who avow that Lincoln wanted to be King? Or that Grant was  just an average General?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

Nice to hear from you as it has been much too long.  I tend to agree with much of what you have to say.  For me it comes down to trusting my students to arrive at their own conclusions.  My job is to give them the analytical tools and a sufficient amount of documentation to allow them &quot;be their own historian.  Thanks for the link and best of luck in the classroom this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>Nice to hear from you as it has been much too long.  I tend to agree with much of what you have to say.  For me it comes down to trusting my students to arrive at their own conclusions.  My job is to give them the analytical tools and a sufficient amount of documentation to allow them &#8220;be their own historian.  Thanks for the link and best of luck in the classroom this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/09/18/teaching-history-without-the-negative-stuff/#comment-11158</link>
		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 03:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To teach history fairly and objectively must be extremely difficult. I agree with Crystals statement, &quot;It is not only the United States successes, but also her failures, that makes her unique.&quot;  I believe the best history teachers present the facts, good and bad, and then guides his/her students to think for themselves without injecting their own bias. This has to be  hard, especially if the teacher is very passionate toward one political view, either right of left. To take out the &quot;negatives&quot; about American History is stupid, just as taking out the good and positive aspects of our history would be.   This only does a disservice to our children.  We learn more through  mistakes and failures than through  successes.  
So to all you history teachers who strive to teach objectively and without bias you have my utmost respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To teach history fairly and objectively must be extremely difficult. I agree with Crystals statement, &#8220;It is not only the United States successes, but also her failures, that makes her unique.&#8221;  I believe the best history teachers present the facts, good and bad, and then guides his/her students to think for themselves without injecting their own bias. This has to be  hard, especially if the teacher is very passionate toward one political view, either right of left. To take out the &#8220;negatives&#8221; about American History is stupid, just as taking out the good and positive aspects of our history would be.   This only does a disservice to our children.  We learn more through  mistakes and failures than through  successes.<br />
So to all you history teachers who strive to teach objectively and without bias you have my utmost respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Rowe</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/09/18/teaching-history-without-the-negative-stuff/#comment-11156</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 03:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

I&#039;ts been awhile, but a change in teaching assignment and building curriculum for two electives has taken much more of my time than I thought it would. :/ It&#039;s left little time for blogging, commenting or hitting the social networking sites, but I decided to &quot;veg out&quot; tonight, if intellectual discourse can be considered vegging out.

As a teacher in Texas, I am deeply concerned about how new standards (we call them TEKS [pronounced, most often, like &quot;teaks], Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills) will affect history education in this state. I also see your concern in that what goes on here will affect the rest of the country because Texas is such as huge textbook market. What bothers me most  is this has become more of a political arguement than an educational one. Conservatives control this state, liberals are kicking against that wall and moderates are lost in the shuffle. I&#039;m aware of only one person on the State Board of Education with any teaching experience, though I do not recall that person&#039;s name, but, unfortunately, that person does not represent my region of the state. Neither does the member in the video.

Personally, I tend to agree with Crystal&#039;s commentary regarding American &quot;exceptionalism.&quot; Sure, we&#039;ve got warts and we&#039;re still working to remove many of them, but the fact that, as a nation, most of us are willing to admit our shortcomings and attempt to work on those has been our best trait. Yes, there are folks who would derail this process based solely on political leaning, attitudes regarding race or some other brainless application of confused logic without checking the facts. Too often people rely on limited and/or biased sources of information and believe them to be the only ones available, both historically and recently. This, perhaps, is one amazingly unexceptional thing about Americans as a whole.

My belief is we have to encourage students to look for questions, not answers, about history. It&#039;s the how and why of what happened in history, not the who and when, that are most important. If students understand how and why things happen in history they will easily recall the who did or said something and when it was done. This is what I see as being the biggest problem with history education standards. Explaining how and why are relegated to something we do &quot;if we have time&quot; after we teach kids what they are supposed to know in order to take some mind-numbing state exam.

BTW, if you want to look at the actual drafts of the new standards, you can find them at this link: http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index2.aspx?id=3643. They are at the bottom of the webpage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ts been awhile, but a change in teaching assignment and building curriculum for two electives has taken much more of my time than I thought it would. :/ It&#8217;s left little time for blogging, commenting or hitting the social networking sites, but I decided to &#8220;veg out&#8221; tonight, if intellectual discourse can be considered vegging out.</p>
<p>As a teacher in Texas, I am deeply concerned about how new standards (we call them TEKS [pronounced, most often, like "teaks], Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills) will affect history education in this state. I also see your concern in that what goes on here will affect the rest of the country because Texas is such as huge textbook market. What bothers me most  is this has become more of a political arguement than an educational one. Conservatives control this state, liberals are kicking against that wall and moderates are lost in the shuffle. I&#8217;m aware of only one person on the State Board of Education with any teaching experience, though I do not recall that person&#8217;s name, but, unfortunately, that person does not represent my region of the state. Neither does the member in the video.</p>
<p>Personally, I tend to agree with Crystal&#8217;s commentary regarding American &#8220;exceptionalism.&#8221; Sure, we&#8217;ve got warts and we&#8217;re still working to remove many of them, but the fact that, as a nation, most of us are willing to admit our shortcomings and attempt to work on those has been our best trait. Yes, there are folks who would derail this process based solely on political leaning, attitudes regarding race or some other brainless application of confused logic without checking the facts. Too often people rely on limited and/or biased sources of information and believe them to be the only ones available, both historically and recently. This, perhaps, is one amazingly unexceptional thing about Americans as a whole.</p>
<p>My belief is we have to encourage students to look for questions, not answers, about history. It&#8217;s the how and why of what happened in history, not the who and when, that are most important. If students understand how and why things happen in history they will easily recall the who did or said something and when it was done. This is what I see as being the biggest problem with history education standards. Explaining how and why are relegated to something we do &#8220;if we have time&#8221; after we teach kids what they are supposed to know in order to take some mind-numbing state exam.</p>
<p>BTW, if you want to look at the actual drafts of the new standards, you can find them at this link: <a href="http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index2.aspx?id=3643" rel="nofollow">http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index2.aspx?id=3643</a>. They are at the bottom of the webpage.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 02:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am proud to be a Texan today.   Too many want to run our country down from their places of authority in the public school class room and the college lecture hall.   While America is FAR from perfect.  She is the best place on Earth to live or we would not be discussing how to keep people out!  I E-mailed the Committee over Christmas.  It is on every school calendar in the state and children ought to learn about it.  I have no issue with learning the other holidays but to add them and remove Christmas from the TEKS is going the wrong way.   I don&#039;t expect more liberal minded folks to agree with me.  Still I am Proud of what I heard from the Committee today.  
Kevin I am proud you don&#039;t push a Moral Claim and I pray you’re never forced to either.  That is your choice and freedom to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am proud to be a Texan today.   Too many want to run our country down from their places of authority in the public school class room and the college lecture hall.   While America is FAR from perfect.  She is the best place on Earth to live or we would not be discussing how to keep people out!  I E-mailed the Committee over Christmas.  It is on every school calendar in the state and children ought to learn about it.  I have no issue with learning the other holidays but to add them and remove Christmas from the TEKS is going the wrong way.   I don&#8217;t expect more liberal minded folks to agree with me.  Still I am Proud of what I heard from the Committee today.<br />
Kevin I am proud you don&#8217;t push a Moral Claim and I pray you’re never forced to either.  That is your choice and freedom to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/09/18/teaching-history-without-the-negative-stuff/#comment-11154</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,

As I stated in the post, I don&#039;t push the moral claim that the United States is exceptional, though I do discuss the history of American Exceptionalism in its various forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,</p>
<p>As I stated in the post, I don&#8217;t push the moral claim that the United States is exceptional, though I do discuss the history of American Exceptionalism in its various forms.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, 
Is it that you don&#039;t use the American exceptionalism as an interpretation to consider; or that you don&#039;t discuss American exceptionalism at all?  Sort of hard to consider Lincoln, FDR, JFK, and Reagan in context without that &quot;City upon the hill&quot; thought in perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,<br />
Is it that you don&#8217;t use the American exceptionalism as an interpretation to consider; or that you don&#8217;t discuss American exceptionalism at all?  Sort of hard to consider Lincoln, FDR, JFK, and Reagan in context without that &#8220;City upon the hill&#8221; thought in perspective.</p>
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