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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;We&#8217;re Gonna Fight For Freedom With Captain John Brown&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/08/were-gonna-fight-for-freedom-with-captain-john-brown/#comment-12876</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bet they have listened to a Pete Seeger or Weavers album or two</description>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/08/were-gonna-fight-for-freedom-with-captain-john-brown/#comment-11587</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bet they have listened to a Pete Seeger or Weavers album or two</description>
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		<title>By: Metadata: I am an obsessive book buyer and October is a busy month. &#171; Sesquicentennial Madness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metadata: I am an obsessive book buyer and October is a busy month. &#171; Sesquicentennial Madness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hat tip to Kevin Levin&#8217;s entry at Civil War Memory for this one. Mr. Levin runs an excellent blog with occasional flashes of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hat tip to Kevin Levin&#8217;s entry at Civil War Memory for this one. Mr. Levin runs an excellent blog with occasional flashes of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That song is from the album by Magpie, &quot;John Brown: Sword of the Spirit&quot;. I really like the whole album. I find John Brown an endlessly fascinating and challenging character. He clearly understood his personal mission of fighting slavery as fulfilling God&#039;s will as he understood it in his Calvinist Christianity. Ironically for those who attack Union leaders because none of the major players during the Civil War held 21st-century ideas of racial equality at the start of 1861, John Brown actually did take such a view. He was also notable in having an unusually egalitarian view of women&#039;s rights.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;His actions as a guerilla fighter, including the &quot;Pottawatamie massacre&quot;, are a persist challenge to anyone who looks at the situation seriously. As the mini-civil-war in Kansas showed, the slaveowners were willing to use violence and break the law on a massive scale to expand slavery. Other than rigid legalism or actual pacifism, I find it very difficult to find reason to condemn his actions as an anti-slavery fighter, even on tactical grounds. At the same time, because people today looking for excuses to commit violent acts for some fringe cause point to Brown&#039;s example, I also think it&#039;s important to understand the very real threat to freedom and democracy he was confronting.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The notion that he was &quot;insane&quot; just doesn&#039;t hold water. (Ironically again, some of those hoping to have his life spared after the Harper&#039;s Ferry raid promoted the notion in hopes of having him pardoned or at least not executed.) I have seen one essay by Bertram Wyatt-Brown making a plausible case - tricky as psychohistory is - that Brown suffered from depression. It could help explain some very particular mysteries, like why he delayed so long in evacuating Harper&#039;s Ferry with the captured weapons. But it can&#039;t explain his political actions and decisions, much less does it make them &quot;insane&quot;. And it certainly can&#039;t explain why he actions had such a lasting impact and why he is still a powerful symbol of freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That song is from the album by Magpie, &#8220;John Brown: Sword of the Spirit&#8221;. I really like the whole album. I find John Brown an endlessly fascinating and challenging character. He clearly understood his personal mission of fighting slavery as fulfilling God&#39;s will as he understood it in his Calvinist Christianity. Ironically for those who attack Union leaders because none of the major players during the Civil War held 21st-century ideas of racial equality at the start of 1861, John Brown actually did take such a view. He was also notable in having an unusually egalitarian view of women&#39;s rights.</p>
<p>His actions as a guerilla fighter, including the &#8220;Pottawatamie massacre&#8221;, are a persist challenge to anyone who looks at the situation seriously. As the mini-civil-war in Kansas showed, the slaveowners were willing to use violence and break the law on a massive scale to expand slavery. Other than rigid legalism or actual pacifism, I find it very difficult to find reason to condemn his actions as an anti-slavery fighter, even on tactical grounds. At the same time, because people today looking for excuses to commit violent acts for some fringe cause point to Brown&#39;s example, I also think it&#39;s important to understand the very real threat to freedom and democracy he was confronting.</p>
<p>The notion that he was &#8220;insane&#8221; just doesn&#39;t hold water. (Ironically again, some of those hoping to have his life spared after the Harper&#39;s Ferry raid promoted the notion in hopes of having him pardoned or at least not executed.) I have seen one essay by Bertram Wyatt-Brown making a plausible case &#8211; tricky as psychohistory is &#8211; that Brown suffered from depression. It could help explain some very particular mysteries, like why he delayed so long in evacuating Harper&#39;s Ferry with the captured weapons. But it can&#39;t explain his political actions and decisions, much less does it make them &#8220;insane&#8221;. And it certainly can&#39;t explain why he actions had such a lasting impact and why he is still a powerful symbol of freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/08/were-gonna-fight-for-freedom-with-captain-john-brown/#comment-11574</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right.  His actions will continue to be debated, but the tendency to brush him off as psychologically unbalanced is a non-starter and prevents us from understanding Brown as well as the broader reform movement of which the abolitionist movement was part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s right.  His actions will continue to be debated, but the tendency to brush him off as psychologically unbalanced is a non-starter and prevents us from understanding Brown as well as the broader reform movement of which the abolitionist movement was part.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said before, I guess Brown didn&#039;t understand that slavery was part of God&#039;s plan.</description>
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		<title>By: Bob_Pollock</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/08/were-gonna-fight-for-freedom-with-captain-john-brown/#comment-11571</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob_Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great, even if I do have problem with Brown hacking people to death.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have ancestors who lived in Ashtabula then moved to Indiana and Michigan. My great grandmother attended Oberlin just after the turn of the century. I never knew her, but the house she was born and raised in is in northern Indiana and is featured on a couple underground railroad websites. I found a copy of her 1901 HS commencement program online. She gave a speech entitled &quot;Not so Black as They&#039;re Painted.&quot; I would love to know the text of that speech!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding RGW, a while back I had a discussion with him about  Brown seizing a federal arsenal and secessionists doing the same thing. He doesn&#039;t see  the similarities. Somehow secessionists are to be celebrated but not Brown.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is this a period song or did these folks just write it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great, even if I do have problem with Brown hacking people to death.</p>
<p>I have ancestors who lived in Ashtabula then moved to Indiana and Michigan. My great grandmother attended Oberlin just after the turn of the century. I never knew her, but the house she was born and raised in is in northern Indiana and is featured on a couple underground railroad websites. I found a copy of her 1901 HS commencement program online. She gave a speech entitled &#8220;Not so Black as They&#39;re Painted.&#8221; I would love to know the text of that speech!</p>
<p>Regarding RGW, a while back I had a discussion with him about  Brown seizing a federal arsenal and secessionists doing the same thing. He doesn&#39;t see  the similarities. Somehow secessionists are to be celebrated but not Brown.</p>
<p>Is this a period song or did these folks just write it?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Cebula</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/08/were-gonna-fight-for-freedom-with-captain-john-brown/#comment-11569</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Cebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is really interesting to see John Brown being--not rehabilitated, exactly, but taken more seriously as a (largely) rational actor, rather than as the Thomas Hart Benton/Raymond Massey image of the unhinged bloodthirsty Old Testament fanatic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really interesting to see John Brown being&#8211;not rehabilitated, exactly, but taken more seriously as a (largely) rational actor, rather than as the Thomas Hart Benton/Raymond Massey image of the unhinged bloodthirsty Old Testament fanatic.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/08/were-gonna-fight-for-freedom-with-captain-john-brown/#comment-11567</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just kidding.  If I understand Williams correctly, Brown didn&#039;t understand that slavery was part of God&#039;s plan. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just kidding.  If I understand Williams correctly, Brown didn&#39;t understand that slavery was part of God&#39;s plan. <img src='http://cwmemory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was reading his blog he got quite upset a couple of times over folks who were, in his opinion, &quot;celebrating&quot; John Brown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was reading his blog he got quite upset a couple of times over folks who were, in his opinion, &#8220;celebrating&#8221; John Brown.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/08/were-gonna-fight-for-freedom-with-captain-john-brown/#comment-11565</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think so.  After all, Richard is all about fighting for freedom and liberty.</description>
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		<title>By: jfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Williams is going to go ballistic over this!  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Williams is going to go ballistic over this!  <img src='http://cwmemory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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