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		<title>By: Bryan Cheeseboro</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/28/civil-war-memory-through-film/#comment-37295</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Cheeseboro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One interesting note about Santa Fe Trail...

The movie begins with a cadet horse riding drill at West Point.  When the cadets turn in their saddles after riding, they are called by name.  The first two names called are William Dorsey Pender (North Carolina) and Charles Greene Sawtelle (Maine), two of the ACTUAL members of the Class of 1854.  Neither man, nor anyone else except for Stuart, who was actually in the &#039;54 class, is ever mentioned again in the film.  Anyway, I&#039;ve always taken the mention of Sawtelle and Pender to mean that the producers of SFT actually had knowledge of the real history but chose to reject it for their own story.  

Pender served in the 1st US Artillery after graduation, resigned in 1861, fought in all the major engagements of 1862 with the Army of Northern Virginia and died a couple of weeks after Gettysburg of wounds received there.  

Sawtelle began his career as an army quartermaster in 1857 and served in that department throughout the war.  In 1896, he was made Quartermster General of the US Army, retiring from service at that rank in 1897.  He died in 1913.</description>
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<p>The movie begins with a cadet horse riding drill at West Point.  When the cadets turn in their saddles after riding, they are called by name.  The first two names called are William Dorsey Pender (North Carolina) and Charles Greene Sawtelle (Maine), two of the ACTUAL members of the Class of 1854.  Neither man, nor anyone else except for Stuart, who was actually in the &#8217;54 class, is ever mentioned again in the film.  Anyway, I&#8217;ve always taken the mention of Sawtelle and Pender to mean that the producers of SFT actually had knowledge of the real history but chose to reject it for their own story.  </p>
<p>Pender served in the 1st US Artillery after graduation, resigned in 1861, fought in all the major engagements of 1862 with the Army of Northern Virginia and died a couple of weeks after Gettysburg of wounds received there.  </p>
<p>Sawtelle began his career as an army quartermaster in 1857 and served in that department throughout the war.  In 1896, he was made Quartermster General of the US Army, retiring from service at that rank in 1897.  He died in 1913.</p>
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		<title>By: marooned</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/28/civil-war-memory-through-film/#comment-32356</link>
		<dc:creator>marooned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By all that I can retrieve from history, this still underplays the sheer horror.

When anyone talks about &quot;glory&quot; and &quot;honor&quot; in any war, they should be required to watch this.

Stupidity, greed and disfunction in the ruling-class is all that operates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By all that I can retrieve from history, this still underplays the sheer horror.</p>
<p>When anyone talks about &#8220;glory&#8221; and &#8220;honor&#8221; in any war, they should be required to watch this.</p>
<p>Stupidity, greed and disfunction in the ruling-class is all that operates.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Evans</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/28/civil-war-memory-through-film/#comment-12809</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to my last post:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&#039;Gettysburg&#039; should also be shown ,at least segments of it, as it is very faithful to Michael Shaara&#039;s novel and I still think a very good movie that contains  wonderful performances by Jeff Daniels as Chamberlain and Sam Elliott as John Buford.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To show how history can be twisted someone brought up &#039;Santa Fe Trail&#039; but also &#039;Horse Soldiers&#039; with John Wayne and directed by the great John Ford is very historically inaccurate. Confederates charge down a single street and are almost killed to the man. Not good history at all but some find it entertaining. It is quite old fashioned but can be shown as an example of something historical such as Grierson&#039;s Raid being turned into Hollywood. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also &#039;They Died with their boots on&#039; with Errol Flynn as Custer has a Civil War segment too. It&#039;s depiction of Custer at Gettysburg is fairly interesting even though it contains inaccuracies such as Winfield Scott commanding the Union armies throughout the whole war.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&#039;How the West was Won&#039; has a Civil War segment set at the Battle of Shiloh with George Peppard, Harry Morgan as Grant, John Wayne as Sherman and this segment was directed by John Ford. This would also be worth watching.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is also the low budget &#039;Journey to Shiloh&#039; with James Caan and a very young Harrison Ford that depicts some Texas boys being recruited by Braxton Bragg and thrown into the battle. It is not great history at all but it is kind of interesting. I think it contains the only cinematic depiction of Braxton Bragg however historically inaccurate it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to my last post:</p>
<p>&#39;Gettysburg&#39; should also be shown ,at least segments of it, as it is very faithful to Michael Shaara&#39;s novel and I still think a very good movie that contains  wonderful performances by Jeff Daniels as Chamberlain and Sam Elliott as John Buford.</p>
<p>To show how history can be twisted someone brought up &#39;Santa Fe Trail&#39; but also &#39;Horse Soldiers&#39; with John Wayne and directed by the great John Ford is very historically inaccurate. Confederates charge down a single street and are almost killed to the man. Not good history at all but some find it entertaining. It is quite old fashioned but can be shown as an example of something historical such as Grierson&#39;s Raid being turned into Hollywood. </p>
<p>Also &#39;They Died with their boots on&#39; with Errol Flynn as Custer has a Civil War segment too. It&#39;s depiction of Custer at Gettysburg is fairly interesting even though it contains inaccuracies such as Winfield Scott commanding the Union armies throughout the whole war.</p>
<p>&#39;How the West was Won&#39; has a Civil War segment set at the Battle of Shiloh with George Peppard, Harry Morgan as Grant, John Wayne as Sherman and this segment was directed by John Ford. This would also be worth watching.</p>
<p>There is also the low budget &#39;Journey to Shiloh&#39; with James Caan and a very young Harrison Ford that depicts some Texas boys being recruited by Braxton Bragg and thrown into the battle. It is not great history at all but it is kind of interesting. I think it contains the only cinematic depiction of Braxton Bragg however historically inaccurate it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Evans</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/28/civil-war-memory-through-film/#comment-12810</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would recommend also some three very good films from TNT:&lt;br&gt;1)&#039;Andersonville&#039; from 1996 Directed by John Frankenheimer&lt;br&gt;2)The Hunley&#039; from 1999 with Armand Assante and Donald Sutherland as Beauregard&lt;br&gt;3)&#039;The Day Lincoln was Shot&#039; from 1998 with a very good Rob Morrow as John Wilkes Booth and Lance Henriksen as Abraham Lincoln. One of the best depictions of the assassination done so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would recommend also some three very good films from TNT:<br />1)&#39;Andersonville&#39; from 1996 Directed by John Frankenheimer<br />2)The Hunley&#39; from 1999 with Armand Assante and Donald Sutherland as Beauregard<br />3)&#39;The Day Lincoln was Shot&#39; from 1998 with a very good Rob Morrow as John Wilkes Booth and Lance Henriksen as Abraham Lincoln. One of the best depictions of the assassination done so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Evans</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/28/civil-war-memory-through-film/#comment-12104</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to my last post:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&#039;Gettysburg&#039; should also be shown ,at least segments of it, as it is very faithful to Michael Shaara&#039;s novel and I still think a very good movie that contains  wonderful performances by Jeff Daniels as Chamberlain and Sam Elliott as John Buford.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To show how history can be twisted someone brought up &#039;Santa Fe Trail&#039; but also &#039;Horse Soldiers&#039; with John Wayne and directed by the great John Ford is very historically inaccurate. Confederates charge down a single street and are almost killed to the man. Not good history at all but some find it entertaining. It is quite old fashioned but can be shown as an example of something historical such as Grierson&#039;s Raid being turned into Hollywood. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also &#039;They Died with their boots on&#039; with Errol Flynn as Custer has a Civil War segment too. It&#039;s depiction of Custer at Gettysburg is fairly interesting even though it contains inaccuracies such as Winfield Scott commanding the Union armies throughout the whole war.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&#039;How the West was Won&#039; has a Civil War segment set at the Battle of Shiloh with George Peppard, Harry Morgan as Grant, John Wayne as Sherman and this segment was directed by John Ford. This would also be worth watching.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is also the low budget &#039;Journey to Shiloh&#039; with James Caan and a very young Harrison Ford that depicts some Texas boys being recruited by Braxton Bragg and thrown into the battle. It is not great history at all but it is kind of interesting. I think it contains the only cinematic depiction of Braxton Bragg however historically inaccurate it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to my last post:</p>
<p>&#39;Gettysburg&#39; should also be shown ,at least segments of it, as it is very faithful to Michael Shaara&#39;s novel and I still think a very good movie that contains  wonderful performances by Jeff Daniels as Chamberlain and Sam Elliott as John Buford.</p>
<p>To show how history can be twisted someone brought up &#39;Santa Fe Trail&#39; but also &#39;Horse Soldiers&#39; with John Wayne and directed by the great John Ford is very historically inaccurate. Confederates charge down a single street and are almost killed to the man. Not good history at all but some find it entertaining. It is quite old fashioned but can be shown as an example of something historical such as Grierson&#39;s Raid being turned into Hollywood. </p>
<p>Also &#39;They Died with their boots on&#39; with Errol Flynn as Custer has a Civil War segment too. It&#39;s depiction of Custer at Gettysburg is fairly interesting even though it contains inaccuracies such as Winfield Scott commanding the Union armies throughout the whole war.</p>
<p>&#39;How the West was Won&#39; has a Civil War segment set at the Battle of Shiloh with George Peppard, Harry Morgan as Grant, John Wayne as Sherman and this segment was directed by John Ford. This would also be worth watching.</p>
<p>There is also the low budget &#39;Journey to Shiloh&#39; with James Caan and a very young Harrison Ford that depicts some Texas boys being recruited by Braxton Bragg and thrown into the battle. It is not great history at all but it is kind of interesting. I think it contains the only cinematic depiction of Braxton Bragg however historically inaccurate it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Evans</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/28/civil-war-memory-through-film/#comment-12105</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would recommend also some three very good films from TNT:&lt;br&gt;1)&#039;Andersonville&#039; from 1996 Directed by John Frankenheimer&lt;br&gt;2)The Hunley&#039; from 1999 with Armand Assante and Donald Sutherland as Beauregard&lt;br&gt;3)&#039;The Day Lincoln was Shot&#039; from 1998 with a very good Rob Morrow as John Wilkes Booth and Lance Henriksen as Abraham Lincoln. One of the best depictions of the assassination done so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would recommend also some three very good films from TNT:<br />1)&#39;Andersonville&#39; from 1996 Directed by John Frankenheimer<br />2)The Hunley&#39; from 1999 with Armand Assante and Donald Sutherland as Beauregard<br />3)&#39;The Day Lincoln was Shot&#39; from 1998 with a very good Rob Morrow as John Wilkes Booth and Lance Henriksen as Abraham Lincoln. One of the best depictions of the assassination done so far.</p>
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		<title>By: toby</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/28/civil-war-memory-through-film/#comment-12000</link>
		<dc:creator>toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might like to check out Raintree County, a 1957 vehicle for a new star Elizabeth Taylor. Might be good for a perspective between Gone With the Wind &amp; the Civil Rights Era, which was just beginning.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I remember seeing it some years ago and thought it was awful.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Montgomery Clift as a callow young poet is torn between tempestuous Southern belle Taylor and dewy-eyed Indiana lass Eva Marie Saint, against a backdrop of the Civil War. Maybe Clift represents a conflicted USA, but it does not help much.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I cam across one comment when I checked the film on the internet - the novelist whose work was used as the basis for the movie died before it was screened. One of his friends commented: &quot;It helped me accept his death, because at least he was spared this.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might like to check out Raintree County, a 1957 vehicle for a new star Elizabeth Taylor. Might be good for a perspective between Gone With the Wind &#038; the Civil Rights Era, which was just beginning.</p>
<p>I remember seeing it some years ago and thought it was awful.</p>
<p>Montgomery Clift as a callow young poet is torn between tempestuous Southern belle Taylor and dewy-eyed Indiana lass Eva Marie Saint, against a backdrop of the Civil War. Maybe Clift represents a conflicted USA, but it does not help much.</p>
<p>I cam across one comment when I checked the film on the internet &#8211; the novelist whose work was used as the basis for the movie died before it was screened. One of his friends commented: &#8220;It helped me accept his death, because at least he was spared this.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: toby</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/28/civil-war-memory-through-film/#comment-11969</link>
		<dc:creator>toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Henry Fonda film is Young Mister Lincoln. I suppose it has a Lincoln connection with the Civil War. Fonda was a bit too handsome to play a convincing Lincoln, but it is a very good movie.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you let in Young Mister Lincoln, then why not Amistad, as a prequel to the Civil War? Also a first class movie, almost making a matinee idol of John Quincy Adams in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Henry Fonda film is Young Mister Lincoln. I suppose it has a Lincoln connection with the Civil War. Fonda was a bit too handsome to play a convincing Lincoln, but it is a very good movie.</p>
<p>If you let in Young Mister Lincoln, then why not Amistad, as a prequel to the Civil War? Also a first class movie, almost making a matinee idol of John Quincy Adams in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: toby</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/28/civil-war-memory-through-film/#comment-11970</link>
		<dc:creator>toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To give a classical spin: the plot of Cold Mountain is from the Odyssey: the warrior making his way home to his devoted loved one through many adventures. Josey Wales is Aeneas, driven from his home and wandering to find a new one, similarly through many adventures.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cold Mountain is a good movie; how accurate a portrayal of the Confederate Home Front I do not know. But it should be on the list.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Referring back to Confederate guerilla movies, another one is True Grit. Rooster Cogburn (John Wayne) affirms proudly he rode with Quantrill, the cool clean Glen Campbell character served (he tells us) under Edmund Kirby Smith. Cogburn laughs - this exchange is meant to tell us something about the characters of both men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To give a classical spin: the plot of Cold Mountain is from the Odyssey: the warrior making his way home to his devoted loved one through many adventures. Josey Wales is Aeneas, driven from his home and wandering to find a new one, similarly through many adventures.</p>
<p>Cold Mountain is a good movie; how accurate a portrayal of the Confederate Home Front I do not know. But it should be on the list.</p>
<p>Referring back to Confederate guerilla movies, another one is True Grit. Rooster Cogburn (John Wayne) affirms proudly he rode with Quantrill, the cool clean Glen Campbell character served (he tells us) under Edmund Kirby Smith. Cogburn laughs &#8211; this exchange is meant to tell us something about the characters of both men.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McKeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt McKeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Outlaw Josey Wales and Cold Mountain have virtually the same plot.  Except that Jude Law looks distressed as he kills people, and Clint Eastwood seems to be enjoying himself.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What&#039;s the Abe Lincoln one about him as defending a murder suspect.?  Henry Fonda plays Lincoln I believe.   &lt;br&gt;Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Outlaw Josey Wales and Cold Mountain have virtually the same plot.  Except that Jude Law looks distressed as he kills people, and Clint Eastwood seems to be enjoying himself.  </p>
<p>What&#39;s the Abe Lincoln one about him as defending a murder suspect.?  Henry Fonda plays Lincoln I believe.   <br />Matt</p>
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		<title>By: msimons</title>
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		<dc:creator>msimons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what has been suggested your going to have a fun time with this class.  Hopefully you will keep us posted on what you use and the studnets reactions to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what has been suggested your going to have a fun time with this class.  Hopefully you will keep us posted on what you use and the studnets reactions to it.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigS</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/10/28/civil-war-memory-through-film/#comment-11954</link>
		<dc:creator>CraigS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about &quot;Red Badge of Courage&quot; - the one with Audie Murphy.  Granted there was some studio politics that prevented Huston from making the most of the movie, but I consider it among the best made from a soldiers point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about &#8220;Red Badge of Courage&#8221; &#8211; the one with Audie Murphy.  Granted there was some studio politics that prevented Huston from making the most of the movie, but I consider it among the best made from a soldiers point of view.</p>
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