Comments on: Best of Civil War Memory (3) http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/13/best-of-civil-war-memory-3/ Reflections of a High School History Teacher & Civil War Historian Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:38:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sherree Tannen http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/13/best-of-civil-war-memory-3/#comment-12742 Sherree Tannen Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:39:56 +0000 http://cwmemory.com/?p=5418#comment-12742 The real question is what does God have to do with any of this? Religion, plenty; God, nothing. Men have been killing other men, and women and children, too, for centuries--and are still killing--under the banner that reads that God is on their side. Nothing has changed in that respect from the beginning of recorded history. <br><br>Still, I feel that God was on the side of African America men and women in the ACW. I have no evidence to back that up. Just a feeling. Thanks for the link to Glory, Toby. Sherree The real question is what does God have to do with any of this? Religion, plenty; God, nothing. Men have been killing other men, and women and children, too, for centuries–and are still killing–under the banner that reads that God is on their side. Nothing has changed in that respect from the beginning of recorded history.

Still, I feel that God was on the side of African America men and women in the ACW. I have no evidence to back that up. Just a feeling. Thanks for the link to Glory, Toby. Sherree

]]> By: toby http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/13/best-of-civil-war-memory-3/#comment-12745 toby Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:12:16 +0000 http://cwmemory.com/?p=5418#comment-12745 Yes, that is true. It always seemed to me that Glory was about black soldiers struggling to be considered as men, not just as citizens. Ir was a bit more visceral than being able to serve on juries.<br><br>Sullivan is wrong in a strict sense, but he feels so strongly about gays in the military and the repeal of DADT that I would give him a pass on the history.<br><br>The main point of the post (of course Lincoln got there first!) is that the "Gravedigger" character in the movie (played by Morgan Freeman), Robert E. Lee & Stonewall Jackson as represented in the (Kunstler?) painting, and the Irish Brigade in the Gettysburg absolution pictire, are all praying to the same God. Yes, that is true. It always seemed to me that Glory was about black soldiers struggling to be considered as men, not just as citizens. Ir was a bit more visceral than being able to serve on juries.

Sullivan is wrong in a strict sense, but he feels so strongly about gays in the military and the repeal of DADT that I would give him a pass on the history.

The main point of the post (of course Lincoln got there first!) is that the “Gravedigger” character in the movie (played by Morgan Freeman), Robert E. Lee & Stonewall Jackson as represented in the (Kunstler?) painting, and the Irish Brigade in the Gettysburg absolution pictire, are all praying to the same God.

]]> By: Kevin Levin http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/13/best-of-civil-war-memory-3/#comment-12744 Kevin Levin Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:06:05 +0000 http://cwmemory.com/?p=5418#comment-12744 Thanks for the link to Sullivan's blog. The only problem with the post is that black soldiers did not serve as citizens of the United States. The Dred Scott decision of 1857 was still on the books. Sullivan should have known this. Even the men in the clip that is included in the post does not make mention of citizenship as a motivator. The men in the scene talk about manhood. Thanks for the link to Sullivan's blog. The only problem with the post is that black soldiers did not serve as citizens of the United States. The Dred Scott decision of 1857 was still on the books. Sullivan should have known this. Even the men in the clip that is included in the post does not make mention of citizenship as a motivator. The men in the scene talk about manhood.

]]> By: toby http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/13/best-of-civil-war-memory-3/#comment-12743 toby Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:33:12 +0000 http://cwmemory.com/?p=5418#comment-12743 A recent blog by Andrew Sullivan. And another reminder that there were Christian gentlement on both sides.<br><br><a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/11/glory.html" rel="nofollow">http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...</a> A recent blog by Andrew Sullivan. And another reminder that there were Christian gentlement on both sides.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...

]]> By: Sherree Tannen http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/13/best-of-civil-war-memory-3/#comment-12178 Sherree Tannen Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:39:56 +0000 http://cwmemory.com/?p=5418#comment-12178 The real question is what does God have to do with any of this? Religion, plenty; God, nothing. Men have been killing other men, and women and children, too, for centuries--and are still killing--under the banner that reads that God is on their side. Nothing has changed in that respect from the beginning of recorded history. <br><br>Still, I feel that God was on the side of African America men and women in the ACW. I have no evidence to back that up. Just a feeling. Thanks for the link to Glory, Toby. Sherree The real question is what does God have to do with any of this? Religion, plenty; God, nothing. Men have been killing other men, and women and children, too, for centuries–and are still killing–under the banner that reads that God is on their side. Nothing has changed in that respect from the beginning of recorded history.

Still, I feel that God was on the side of African America men and women in the ACW. I have no evidence to back that up. Just a feeling. Thanks for the link to Glory, Toby. Sherree

]]> By: toby http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/13/best-of-civil-war-memory-3/#comment-12177 toby Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:12:16 +0000 http://cwmemory.com/?p=5418#comment-12177 Yes, that is true. It always seemed to me that Glory was about black soldiers struggling to be considered as men, not just as citizens. Ir was a bit more visceral than being able to serve on juries.<br><br>Sullivan is wrong in a strict sense, but he feels so strongly about gays in the military and the repeal of DADT that I would give him a pass on the history.<br><br>The main point of the post (of course Lincoln got there first!) is that the "Gravedigger" character in the movie (played by Morgan Freeman), Robert E. Lee & Stonewall Jackson as represented in the (Kunstler?) painting, and the Irish Brigade in the Gettysburg absolution pictire, are all praying to the same God. Yes, that is true. It always seemed to me that Glory was about black soldiers struggling to be considered as men, not just as citizens. Ir was a bit more visceral than being able to serve on juries.

Sullivan is wrong in a strict sense, but he feels so strongly about gays in the military and the repeal of DADT that I would give him a pass on the history.

The main point of the post (of course Lincoln got there first!) is that the “Gravedigger” character in the movie (played by Morgan Freeman), Robert E. Lee & Stonewall Jackson as represented in the (Kunstler?) painting, and the Irish Brigade in the Gettysburg absolution pictire, are all praying to the same God.

]]> By: Kevin Levin http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/13/best-of-civil-war-memory-3/#comment-12175 Kevin Levin Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:06:05 +0000 http://cwmemory.com/?p=5418#comment-12175 Thanks for the link to Sullivan's blog. The only problem with the post is that black soldiers did not serve as citizens of the United States. The Dred Scott decision of 1857 was still on the books. Sullivan should have known this. Even the men in the clip that is included in the post does not make mention of citizenship as a motivator. The men in the scene talk about manhood. Thanks for the link to Sullivan's blog. The only problem with the post is that black soldiers did not serve as citizens of the United States. The Dred Scott decision of 1857 was still on the books. Sullivan should have known this. Even the men in the clip that is included in the post does not make mention of citizenship as a motivator. The men in the scene talk about manhood.

]]> By: toby http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/13/best-of-civil-war-memory-3/#comment-12172 toby Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:33:12 +0000 http://cwmemory.com/?p=5418#comment-12172 A recent blog by Andrew Sullivan. And another reminder that there were Christian gentlement on both sides.<br><br><a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/11/glory.html" rel="nofollow">http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...</a> A recent blog by Andrew Sullivan. And another reminder that there were Christian gentlement on both sides.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...

]]> By: margaretdblough http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/13/best-of-civil-war-memory-3/#comment-12138 margaretdblough Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:19:40 +0000 http://cwmemory.com/?p=5418#comment-12138 I don't know of anyone who denies the importance of religion to soldiers in the Confederate armies, including the ANV. The biggest objection is to those accounts that make it sound like it was not simultaneously occurring in the Union armies as well. One of the two major soldiers' relief organizations was The U.S. Christian Commission. The 19th century abolition movement drew strength and recruits from religion. Well before the Civil War, major Protestant denominations split over the issue of slavery (that the Catholic Church didn't appears to be more a matter of how it was organized than that slavery was not a divisive issue). The Southern Baptists emerged out of one of these splits. Gen. Longstreet's uncle Augustus Baldwin Longstreet was a leader of the pro-slavery forces in the schism in the Methodist Episcopal Church. As for leaders, whatever criticism one has of Union General O.O. Howard as a military man (and there are many), he was widely known for his deep religious views and the probity of his personal character. I don't know of anyone who denies the importance of religion to soldiers in the Confederate armies, including the ANV. The biggest objection is to those accounts that make it sound like it was not simultaneously occurring in the Union armies as well. One of the two major soldiers' relief organizations was The U.S. Christian Commission. The 19th century abolition movement drew strength and recruits from religion. Well before the Civil War, major Protestant denominations split over the issue of slavery (that the Catholic Church didn't appears to be more a matter of how it was organized than that slavery was not a divisive issue). The Southern Baptists emerged out of one of these splits. Gen. Longstreet's uncle Augustus Baldwin Longstreet was a leader of the pro-slavery forces in the schism in the Methodist Episcopal Church. As for leaders, whatever criticism one has of Union General O.O. Howard as a military man (and there are many), he was widely known for his deep religious views and the probity of his personal character.

]]> By: msimons http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/13/best-of-civil-war-memory-3/#comment-12107 msimons Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:12:51 +0000 http://cwmemory.com/?p=5418#comment-12107 Sorr you didn't notice my ;>) it was my febel attempt at Sarcasm. Sorr you didn't notice my ;>) it was my febel attempt at Sarcasm.

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