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	<title>Comments on: David Reynolds Petitions Obama and Kaine to Pardon John Brown</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely, no one is going to disagree with you that it is unfortunate when innocent bystanders are harmed in any way.   We should do our best to study the past on its own terms, though as you probably know that is difficult when it comes a traumatic event like our Civil War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely, no one is going to disagree with you that it is unfortunate when innocent bystanders are harmed in any way.   We should do our best to study the past on its own terms, though as you probably know that is difficult when it comes a traumatic event like our Civil War.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I described it as an innocent killing...maybe not the right words, but the killing of innocent people and civilians.  Heyward Sheppard is one example, the mayor of Harpers Ferry is another.  His death is most sad because he in himself was not a big supporter of slavery and had actually freed some slaves himself.  Some believe he was on the train platform to check on Heyward Sheppard...history is full of irony.  I just hope we study this affair in our past and not try to modernize it with an act of clemency by the President and Governor.  Much like the misguided notion of &quot;slave reparations&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I described it as an innocent killing&#8230;maybe not the right words, but the killing of innocent people and civilians.  Heyward Sheppard is one example, the mayor of Harpers Ferry is another.  His death is most sad because he in himself was not a big supporter of slavery and had actually freed some slaves himself.  Some believe he was on the train platform to check on Heyward Sheppard&#8230;history is full of irony.  I just hope we study this affair in our past and not try to modernize it with an act of clemency by the President and Governor.  Much like the misguided notion of &#8220;slave reparations&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/28/david-reynolds-petitions-obama-and-kaine-to-pardon-john-brown/#comment-12577</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment.  It is unfortunate that Heyward Sheppard was killed, but it seems odd to describe it as an &quot;innocent murder.&quot;  I&#039;m not sure what that means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment.  It is unfortunate that Heyward Sheppard was killed, but it seems odd to describe it as an &#8220;innocent murder.&#8221;  I&#39;m not sure what that means.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murder is murder....I mean, what about the innocent killing of Heyward Sheppard and the Mayor of Harpers Ferry?  You could agree with modern day Islamic extremist terrorists on western occupation of the Middle East, but WOULD NOT agree with terrorism methods!  Terrorism is terrorism...no matter what form its in and should be not be legitimized by modern politicians.  Slavery was wrong and the war ended it, but killing innocent people like Brown and his people did is terrorism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murder is murder&#8230;.I mean, what about the innocent killing of Heyward Sheppard and the Mayor of Harpers Ferry?  You could agree with modern day Islamic extremist terrorists on western occupation of the Middle East, but WOULD NOT agree with terrorism methods!  Terrorism is terrorism&#8230;no matter what form its in and should be not be legitimized by modern politicians.  Slavery was wrong and the war ended it, but killing innocent people like Brown and his people did is terrorism</p>
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		<title>By: Sherree</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/28/david-reynolds-petitions-obama-and-kaine-to-pardon-john-brown/#comment-12566</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for responding, Kevin.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I haven&#039;t read Reynolds&#039; book, but I agree with his overall thesis, as you are presenting it--ie, that understanding Calvinism and Puritanism holds the key to understanding Brown. I don&#039;t agree with Reynolds&#039; idea that our President should be asked to pardon Brown, though. Brown was not a hero to the African American community with which my family has been interconnected for several generations, as I have shared with you. Abraham Lincoln and Dr. King were. This could be a generational shift in emphasis. I am not sure. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let me again take this opportunity to wish you a happy and prosperous holiday! As you can see, your readers are both reluctant to let you go, and happy for you at the same time. Congratulations on finishing your two projects. Also, my best wishes to Michaela. Sherree</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for responding, Kevin.</p>
<p>I haven&#39;t read Reynolds&#39; book, but I agree with his overall thesis, as you are presenting it&#8211;ie, that understanding Calvinism and Puritanism holds the key to understanding Brown. I don&#39;t agree with Reynolds&#39; idea that our President should be asked to pardon Brown, though. Brown was not a hero to the African American community with which my family has been interconnected for several generations, as I have shared with you. Abraham Lincoln and Dr. King were. This could be a generational shift in emphasis. I am not sure. </p>
<p>Let me again take this opportunity to wish you a happy and prosperous holiday! As you can see, your readers are both reluctant to let you go, and happy for you at the same time. Congratulations on finishing your two projects. Also, my best wishes to Michaela. Sherree</p>
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		<title>By: Sherree</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/28/david-reynolds-petitions-obama-and-kaine-to-pardon-john-brown/#comment-12564</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I linked to the article on John Brown by David Blight at HNN that you reference on your “Friend’s List” and found it to be the most insightful article on this issue that I have read to date. I agree with Blight’s conclusion that  in considering Brown’s legacy, our responses reveal as much about ourselves as they reveal about Brown. Blight also cautions against simplistic interpretations, as do the majority of your contributors, and adds that any figure in history connected, in our collective national memory, to the imagery of Christ is problematic on many levels. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From my perspective, Brown seems to have seen himself as both Jehovah of the Old Testament and Jesus of Nazareth of the New Testament, and consciously manipulated his own--what appeared to be--self delusion, proving to me that he was sane.  I don’t think that a truly psychotic person can be so brilliantly calculated.  The problem comes in with the “hacking” aspect of the righteous executions.  Were the men who were hacked to death killed to avenge the tens of thousands of slaves brutalized in our nation‘s history and to bring about an end to the institution of slavery, or were they  hacked to death because something much darker took over the executioners, as generally happens when vigilante justice is meted out, (particularly since the executions followed the brutal execution of anti slavery men by the pro slavery group)   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In one historian’s assessment of Brown’s actions, it was noted that Brown’s men killed the proslavery men the way in which they did in order to keep from being discovered by other pro slavery neighbors. I found that assessment to be bending facts and common sense to fit a theory.  If this were true, a couple of sword blows would have done the job, it seems.  (I read this article several months ago and did not bookmark it, so I don’t remember who this was.)  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To me, an often overlooked abolitionist who truly  transcended his time is Silas Soule. Soule not only abhorred slavery; he fought to end it, and was also morally consistent, and refused the order of Chivington,  (himself an abolitionist) when Chivington ordered him to kill innocent Cheyenne women and children at Sand Creek. Soule then testified against Chivington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>I linked to the article on John Brown by David Blight at HNN that you reference on your “Friend’s List” and found it to be the most insightful article on this issue that I have read to date. I agree with Blight’s conclusion that  in considering Brown’s legacy, our responses reveal as much about ourselves as they reveal about Brown. Blight also cautions against simplistic interpretations, as do the majority of your contributors, and adds that any figure in history connected, in our collective national memory, to the imagery of Christ is problematic on many levels. </p>
<p>From my perspective, Brown seems to have seen himself as both Jehovah of the Old Testament and Jesus of Nazareth of the New Testament, and consciously manipulated his own&#8211;what appeared to be&#8211;self delusion, proving to me that he was sane.  I don’t think that a truly psychotic person can be so brilliantly calculated.  The problem comes in with the “hacking” aspect of the righteous executions.  Were the men who were hacked to death killed to avenge the tens of thousands of slaves brutalized in our nation‘s history and to bring about an end to the institution of slavery, or were they  hacked to death because something much darker took over the executioners, as generally happens when vigilante justice is meted out, (particularly since the executions followed the brutal execution of anti slavery men by the pro slavery group)   </p>
<p>In one historian’s assessment of Brown’s actions, it was noted that Brown’s men killed the proslavery men the way in which they did in order to keep from being discovered by other pro slavery neighbors. I found that assessment to be bending facts and common sense to fit a theory.  If this were true, a couple of sword blows would have done the job, it seems.  (I read this article several months ago and did not bookmark it, so I don’t remember who this was.)  </p>
<p>To me, an often overlooked abolitionist who truly  transcended his time is Silas Soule. Soule not only abhorred slavery; he fought to end it, and was also morally consistent, and refused the order of Chivington,  (himself an abolitionist) when Chivington ordered him to kill innocent Cheyenne women and children at Sand Creek. Soule then testified against Chivington.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/28/david-reynolds-petitions-obama-and-kaine-to-pardon-john-brown/#comment-12567</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sherree.  I wish you and your family a safe and happy holiday.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I definitely don&#039;t mind responding to comments.  Actually, it&#039;s nice to know that regular postings are not necessary to keep readers engaged and active on comment boards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sherree.  I wish you and your family a safe and happy holiday.  </p>
<p>I definitely don&#39;t mind responding to comments.  Actually, it&#39;s nice to know that regular postings are not necessary to keep readers engaged and active on comment boards.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/28/david-reynolds-petitions-obama-and-kaine-to-pardon-john-brown/#comment-12565</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sherree.  The Blight article is very helpful in framing how to think about Brown as well as the many pitfalls that are associated.  I think the key to understanding Brown is the Puritan/Calvinist streak that runs through his family.  I&#039;ve mentioned Reynolds&#039;s book a couple of times, but it really does a thorough job of outlining Brown&#039;s religious world view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sherree.  The Blight article is very helpful in framing how to think about Brown as well as the many pitfalls that are associated.  I think the key to understanding Brown is the Puritan/Calvinist streak that runs through his family.  I&#39;ve mentioned Reynolds&#39;s book a couple of times, but it really does a thorough job of outlining Brown&#39;s religious world view.</p>
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		<title>By: Cash</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/28/david-reynolds-petitions-obama-and-kaine-to-pardon-john-brown/#comment-12562</link>
		<dc:creator>Cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you take a look at my first post on this issue, you&#039;ll see that I oppose the pardon suggestion.  When one points out that a person has more than one aspect to their personality and is not totally bad, it&#039;s not a claim that person should be pardoned.  One-dimensional caricatures are easy to throw around, but they are rarely accurate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By the way, Brown didn&#039;t kill indiscriminantly.  He specifically targeted his victims.  Reading the actual history is a bit harder than simply throwing out sarcastic comments, but it does open one up to what actually happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you take a look at my first post on this issue, you&#39;ll see that I oppose the pardon suggestion.  When one points out that a person has more than one aspect to their personality and is not totally bad, it&#39;s not a claim that person should be pardoned.  One-dimensional caricatures are easy to throw around, but they are rarely accurate.</p>
<p>By the way, Brown didn&#39;t kill indiscriminantly.  He specifically targeted his victims.  Reading the actual history is a bit harder than simply throwing out sarcastic comments, but it does open one up to what actually happened.</p>
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		<title>By: margaretdblough</title>
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		<dc:creator>margaretdblough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually got to talk to Tony Horwitz once, after a talk he gave at a Borders in York, PA. He&#039;s very nice and very easy to talk to. He was genuinely thrilled when I told him that &quot;Confederates in the Attic&quot; reminded me quite favorably of one of my all time favorite books, John Steinbeck&#039;s &quot;Travels with Charley in Search of America.&quot; One thing that has clearly influenced him was the years he worked as a foreign correspondent, particularly war correspondent, for the Wall Street Journal. In &quot;Confederates in the Attic&quot;, while he clearly liked reenactors, one of his major problems with Civil War reenactments was that they were so neat, clean, and calm and he knew from personal observation that war was none of those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually got to talk to Tony Horwitz once, after a talk he gave at a Borders in York, PA. He&#39;s very nice and very easy to talk to. He was genuinely thrilled when I told him that &#8220;Confederates in the Attic&#8221; reminded me quite favorably of one of my all time favorite books, John Steinbeck&#39;s &#8220;Travels with Charley in Search of America.&#8221; One thing that has clearly influenced him was the years he worked as a foreign correspondent, particularly war correspondent, for the Wall Street Journal. In &#8220;Confederates in the Attic&#8221;, while he clearly liked reenactors, one of his major problems with Civil War reenactments was that they were so neat, clean, and calm and he knew from personal observation that war was none of those.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/28/david-reynolds-petitions-obama-and-kaine-to-pardon-john-brown/#comment-12556</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone is suggesting that.  Your other posts were deleted and I suggest you make more of an effort to contribute to the discussion in a positive way if you hope to have your comments deleted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think anyone is suggesting that.  Your other posts were deleted and I suggest you make more of an effort to contribute to the discussion in a positive way if you hope to have your comments deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wise</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2009/11/28/david-reynolds-petitions-obama-and-kaine-to-pardon-john-brown/#comment-12555</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, let&#039;s pardon all murderers who kill indiscrimantely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, let&#39;s pardon all murderers who kill indiscrimantely.</p>
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