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	<title>Comments on: Tom Dugan&#8217;s Robert E. Lee</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Dugan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Dugan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 04:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the facts in my play were checked and approved by The Museum of the Confederacy, The Appomattox Court House Museum, Washington and Lee University and The Virginia Historic Society. If you find any actual misstatements in my play please notify me and I will quickly make the appropriate corrections.  

Sincerely,
Tom Dugan 
Playwright &quot;Robert E. Lee - Shades of Gray</description>
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<p>Sincerely,<br />
Tom Dugan<br />
Playwright &#8220;Robert E. Lee &#8211; Shades of Gray</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/02/02/tom-dugans-robert-e-lee/#comment-13505</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pitcaithley piece is ok.  It&#039;s always nice to see such distinctions made between the Upper and Lower South in a popular magazine.  Than again it doesn&#039;t add much beyond what has already been written in the same publication by Charles Dew, William Freehling and others.  On the other hand, the article about the execution of USCTs was horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pitcaithley piece is ok.  It&#39;s always nice to see such distinctions made between the Upper and Lower South in a popular magazine.  Than again it doesn&#39;t add much beyond what has already been written in the same publication by Charles Dew, William Freehling and others.  On the other hand, the article about the execution of USCTs was horrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Pollock</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/02/02/tom-dugans-robert-e-lee/#comment-13504</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob_Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As time passes, people, even of the South, will begin to wonder how it&lt;br&gt;was possible that their ancestors ever fought for or justified&lt;br&gt;institutions which acknowledged the right of property in man.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think it is a matter of Grant underestimating the longevity of the Lost Cause. His mistake was not realizing how quickly former Confederates would begin to deny that slavery had been the root cause of the war, and how easy it would be for them to obfuscate the truth. BTW- Great article by Dwight Picaithley, former Chief Historian of the National Park Service on this subject in that mangled magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As time passes, people, even of the South, will begin to wonder how it<br />was possible that their ancestors ever fought for or justified<br />institutions which acknowledged the right of property in man.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think it is a matter of Grant underestimating the longevity of the Lost Cause. His mistake was not realizing how quickly former Confederates would begin to deny that slavery had been the root cause of the war, and how easy it would be for them to obfuscate the truth. BTW- Great article by Dwight Picaithley, former Chief Historian of the National Park Service on this subject in that mangled magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/02/02/tom-dugans-robert-e-lee/#comment-13502</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret, I think the historical record during Reconstruction shows that it wasn&#039;t the former slaves who were not prepared for freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret, I think the historical record during Reconstruction shows that it wasn&#39;t the former slaves who were not prepared for freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/02/02/tom-dugans-robert-e-lee/#comment-13501</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disturbingly irresponsible, falsehood laden, romanticized nonsense.</description>
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		<title>By: margaretdblough</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/02/02/tom-dugans-robert-e-lee/#comment-13498</link>
		<dc:creator>margaretdblough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin-Actually, I think it is an important distinction since statements Lee made that are consistent with the slavery as a necessary evil school can be misinterpreted/misrepresented by modern Lee advocates to make it sound like he was actively anti-slavery. However, the emphasis for Lee and others like him was on the necessary, not the evil.  While they&#039;d talk about God ending the institution, it was always in terms of sometime in the vague and unforeseeable future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin-Actually, I think it is an important distinction since statements Lee made that are consistent with the slavery as a necessary evil school can be misinterpreted/misrepresented by modern Lee advocates to make it sound like he was actively anti-slavery. However, the emphasis for Lee and others like him was on the necessary, not the evil.  While they&#39;d talk about God ending the institution, it was always in terms of sometime in the vague and unforeseeable future.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/02/02/tom-dugans-robert-e-lee/#comment-13497</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary to distinguish between two schools here.  Lee&#039;s understanding of slavery and race fit easily into the culture of a slave owning society.  The big problem with Dugan&#039;s interpretation is that it attempts to place Lee outside of this society rather than trying to understand his racial outlook.  It&#039;s unfortunate because there is plenty of good material available for such an interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s necessary to distinguish between two schools here.  Lee&#39;s understanding of slavery and race fit easily into the culture of a slave owning society.  The big problem with Dugan&#39;s interpretation is that it attempts to place Lee outside of this society rather than trying to understand his racial outlook.  It&#39;s unfortunate because there is plenty of good material available for such an interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: margaretdblough</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/02/02/tom-dugans-robert-e-lee/#comment-13496</link>
		<dc:creator>margaretdblough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amazing how much unmitigated claptrap can one presentation contain. Aside from the blatant falsehood of the Mayflower and other errors that have already been identified, he completely misrepresents the 3/5 ratio. I have Madison&#039;s Notes of the Federal Convention of 1787. It was the extreme pro-slavery forces that wanted to count  each slave as one person, but that was for the purposes of taxation and the of the census. It gave no rights to the slaves. Others pointed out the hypocrisy of wanting to count as &quot;persons&quot; that which the slave states claimed as property. The 3/5 ration was the compromise.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At best, Lee belonged to the older slavery as a necessary evil school rather than the Calhounite slavery as a positive good school but the older school contended that God would end slavery when He saw fit (which generally appeared to be seen as a time long after the speaker and his progency were long gone). As for unpreparedness for freedom, who was answerable for that? During the antebellum period, the Southern pro-slavery forces refused to even discuss the possibility of slavery ever ending. They managed to suspend the First Amendment&#039;s petition clause for over a decade with the Gag Rule against even receiving anti-slavery petitions, even regarding DC which was federal property. It&#039;s not like the northern states had anything against gradual abolition. That&#039;s how many of them ended slavery within their own borders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing how much unmitigated claptrap can one presentation contain. Aside from the blatant falsehood of the Mayflower and other errors that have already been identified, he completely misrepresents the 3/5 ratio. I have Madison&#39;s Notes of the Federal Convention of 1787. It was the extreme pro-slavery forces that wanted to count  each slave as one person, but that was for the purposes of taxation and the of the census. It gave no rights to the slaves. Others pointed out the hypocrisy of wanting to count as &#8220;persons&#8221; that which the slave states claimed as property. The 3/5 ration was the compromise.  </p>
<p>At best, Lee belonged to the older slavery as a necessary evil school rather than the Calhounite slavery as a positive good school but the older school contended that God would end slavery when He saw fit (which generally appeared to be seen as a time long after the speaker and his progency were long gone). As for unpreparedness for freedom, who was answerable for that? During the antebellum period, the Southern pro-slavery forces refused to even discuss the possibility of slavery ever ending. They managed to suspend the First Amendment&#39;s petition clause for over a decade with the Gag Rule against even receiving anti-slavery petitions, even regarding DC which was federal property. It&#39;s not like the northern states had anything against gradual abolition. That&#39;s how many of them ended slavery within their own borders.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/02/02/tom-dugans-robert-e-lee/#comment-13495</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also thought that the criticism of the abolitionists and others was done well.  The problem is that it is done to distance Lee from the issue as if he as disinterested observer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also thought that the criticism of the abolitionists and others was done well.  The problem is that it is done to distance Lee from the issue as if he as disinterested observer.</p>
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		<title>By: bobhuddleston</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/02/02/tom-dugans-robert-e-lee/#comment-13494</link>
		<dc:creator>bobhuddleston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“That was exciting that was gripping. The average audience did not know that”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My heavens: such a collection of myths, going beyond the normal Lost Cause! The Mayflower was not used as a slaver – she was engaged in the wine trade and, as far as anyone knows, never made another voyage to the Americas as a blackbirder or anything else. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I liked the criticism of abolitionists and Radical Republicans. Hmm. “Lee” failed to mention the Southern secessionists as having any responsibility for the Wah.. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I did not know that REL suggested to Davis to emancipate at start of war – somehow I doubt that Davis knew that either!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“That was exciting that was gripping. The average audience did not know that”</p>
<p>My heavens: such a collection of myths, going beyond the normal Lost Cause! The Mayflower was not used as a slaver – she was engaged in the wine trade and, as far as anyone knows, never made another voyage to the Americas as a blackbirder or anything else. </p>
<p>I liked the criticism of abolitionists and Radical Republicans. Hmm. “Lee” failed to mention the Southern secessionists as having any responsibility for the Wah.. </p>
<p>And I did not know that REL suggested to Davis to emancipate at start of war – somehow I doubt that Davis knew that either!</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Radinsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Radinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant said it best, although he underestimated the longetivity of the Lost Cause:&lt;br&gt;&quot;With us, now twenty years after the close of the most stupendous war ever known, we have writers&lt;br&gt;--who profess devotion to the nation--engaged in trying to prove that the&lt;br&gt;Union forces were not victorious; practically, they say, we were slashed&lt;br&gt;around from Donelson to Vicksburg and to Chattanooga; and in the East&lt;br&gt;from Gettysburg to Appomattox, when the physical rebellion gave out from&lt;br&gt;sheer exhaustion.  There is no difference in the amount of romance in&lt;br&gt;the two stories.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would not have the anniversaries of our victories celebrated, nor&lt;br&gt;those of our defeats made fast days and spent in humiliation and prayer;&lt;br&gt;but I would like to see truthful history written. Such history will do&lt;br&gt;full credit to the courage, endurance and soldierly ability of the&lt;br&gt;American citizen, no matter what section of the country he hailed from,&lt;br&gt;or in what ranks he fought.  The justice of the cause which in the end&lt;br&gt;prevailed, will, I doubt not, come to be acknowledged by every citizen&lt;br&gt;of the land, in time.  For the present, and so long as there are living&lt;br&gt;witnesses of the great war of sections, there will be people who will&lt;br&gt;not be consoled for the loss of a cause which they believed to be holy.&lt;br&gt;As time passes, people, even of the South, will begin to wonder how it&lt;br&gt;was possible that their ancestors ever fought for or justified&lt;br&gt;institutions which acknowledged the right of property in man.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Memoirs, Vol. I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant said it best, although he underestimated the longetivity of the Lost Cause:<br />&#8220;With us, now twenty years after the close of the most stupendous war ever known, we have writers<br />&#8211;who profess devotion to the nation&#8211;engaged in trying to prove that the<br />Union forces were not victorious; practically, they say, we were slashed<br />around from Donelson to Vicksburg and to Chattanooga; and in the East<br />from Gettysburg to Appomattox, when the physical rebellion gave out from<br />sheer exhaustion.  There is no difference in the amount of romance in<br />the two stories.</p>
<p>I would not have the anniversaries of our victories celebrated, nor<br />those of our defeats made fast days and spent in humiliation and prayer;<br />but I would like to see truthful history written. Such history will do<br />full credit to the courage, endurance and soldierly ability of the<br />American citizen, no matter what section of the country he hailed from,<br />or in what ranks he fought.  The justice of the cause which in the end<br />prevailed, will, I doubt not, come to be acknowledged by every citizen<br />of the land, in time.  For the present, and so long as there are living<br />witnesses of the great war of sections, there will be people who will<br />not be consoled for the loss of a cause which they believed to be holy.<br />As time passes, people, even of the South, will begin to wonder how it<br />was possible that their ancestors ever fought for or justified<br />institutions which acknowledged the right of property in man.&#8221;</p>
<p>Memoirs, Vol. I</p>
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