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	<title>Comments on: How Best to Respond to the Black Confederate Narrative</title>
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	<description>Reflections of a High School History Teacher &#38; Civil War Historian</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/02/08/how-best-to-respond-to-the-black-confederate-narrative/#comment-13770</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not surprised that none of your students has taken on such a project since they probably know nothing about the issue.  None of my students on the high school level know anything about it before I introduce it to them.  I never suggested that this was one of the high profile debates about the Civil War within the general public, just that it might make for an interesting digital project.  The subject, however, does intersect with a number of crucial questions about slavery and the war. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nice to hear from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not surprised that none of your students has taken on such a project since they probably know nothing about the issue.  None of my students on the high school level know anything about it before I introduce it to them.  I never suggested that this was one of the high profile debates about the Civil War within the general public, just that it might make for an interesting digital project.  The subject, however, does intersect with a number of crucial questions about slavery and the war. </p>
<p>Nice to hear from you.</p>
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		<title>By: acwresearcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>acwresearcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post, but I, like Harry, can&#039;t help but wonder who is actually looking for this type of information. I have the students in my Civil War class working on a semester long research project that will culminate with a written essay and visual presentation of their research. My students, in picking their topics, expressed a wide interest in many topics, people, battles, technology and even race issues. I had one student suggest conducting research on the Klan, but she later decided against that. Middle school students tend to select topics strictly for the reaction they perceive it might bring to them as individual students conducting the research, even if the topic might be controversial or have a marginal amount of primary and secondary sources to support it. Not one student in this class of 27 (two more were added this week so my observation here might change, though I hope not) has even breached this topic as a possibility for a project. I have an inquisitive group of kids, most of whom want to take advantage of the opportunity to take a class like this in middle school. Perhaps that is why they have selected other topics, but it still seems to me at least one student might have approached me with this topic if a large number of people beyond the usual partisans truly cared. That has not happened, at least not yet. I&#039;ll keep you posted should one of the two recently added students offer this subject up for a potential project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, but I, like Harry, can&#39;t help but wonder who is actually looking for this type of information. I have the students in my Civil War class working on a semester long research project that will culminate with a written essay and visual presentation of their research. My students, in picking their topics, expressed a wide interest in many topics, people, battles, technology and even race issues. I had one student suggest conducting research on the Klan, but she later decided against that. Middle school students tend to select topics strictly for the reaction they perceive it might bring to them as individual students conducting the research, even if the topic might be controversial or have a marginal amount of primary and secondary sources to support it. Not one student in this class of 27 (two more were added this week so my observation here might change, though I hope not) has even breached this topic as a possibility for a project. I have an inquisitive group of kids, most of whom want to take advantage of the opportunity to take a class like this in middle school. Perhaps that is why they have selected other topics, but it still seems to me at least one student might have approached me with this topic if a large number of people beyond the usual partisans truly cared. That has not happened, at least not yet. I&#39;ll keep you posted should one of the two recently added students offer this subject up for a potential project.</p>
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		<title>By: Airminded &#183; Military History Carnival 21</title>
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		<dc:creator>Airminded &#183; Military History Carnival 21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the Fourth Crusade. 1861-5: Black Confederates probably don&#8217;t exist, but if they did here&#8217;s what it would take to convince reasonable historians. 1914-9: The First World War sees horses used [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for the Fourth Crusade. 1861-5: Black Confederates probably don&#8217;t exist, but if they did here&#8217;s what it would take to convince reasonable historians. 1914-9: The First World War sees horses used [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard Lanier</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/02/08/how-best-to-respond-to-the-black-confederate-narrative/#comment-13660</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonard Lanier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, let&#039;s go back to the census.  In 1790, 8,043 free blacks lived in the state of Maryland.  That&#039;s a full year before the outbreak of the slave revolt in Saint-Domingue.   I admit, some refugees from the French colony did enter the United States through eastern seaports like Baltimore and Norfolk, but the number is extremely small.  Southern slave-owners feared that unruly slaves from Saint-Domingue could pose a threat, so Congress banned the importation of slaves from the French colonies.  To allow the Saint-Domingue refugees to enter Louisiana, the territory&#039;s governor, William Claiborne, actually petitioned the government for a periodic exemption to the ban.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For more information about slavery in Louisiana and the Saint Domingue refugees, see&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Berlin, Ira.  &quot;Many Thousands Gone:&quot; The First Two Centuries of Slavery in North America.  Cambridge, MA:  Belknap Press, 1998.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dessens, Nathalie.  From Saint-Domingue to New Orleans: Migration and Influences.  Gainesville, FL: University of Florida Press, 2007.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, let&#39;s go back to the census.  In 1790, 8,043 free blacks lived in the state of Maryland.  That&#39;s a full year before the outbreak of the slave revolt in Saint-Domingue.   I admit, some refugees from the French colony did enter the United States through eastern seaports like Baltimore and Norfolk, but the number is extremely small.  Southern slave-owners feared that unruly slaves from Saint-Domingue could pose a threat, so Congress banned the importation of slaves from the French colonies.  To allow the Saint-Domingue refugees to enter Louisiana, the territory&#39;s governor, William Claiborne, actually petitioned the government for a periodic exemption to the ban.</p>
<p>For more information about slavery in Louisiana and the Saint Domingue refugees, see</p>
<p>Berlin, Ira.  &#8220;Many Thousands Gone:&#8221; The First Two Centuries of Slavery in North America.  Cambridge, MA:  Belknap Press, 1998.</p>
<p>Dessens, Nathalie.  From Saint-Domingue to New Orleans: Migration and Influences.  Gainesville, FL: University of Florida Press, 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was my claim and my sloppiness. Don&#039;t blame it on Sublette.  My apologies for the exaggeration. His research was for the period between 1720 and 1820.  There were lots  of changes demographically in the U.S. and a considerable increase in mobility between 1820 and 1860.  The book culminates with the Louisiana Purchase and the resulting Creole immigration from Cuba to New Orleans in 1810 followed by the Battle of New Orleans.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sublette points out that Baltimore was a primary destination for large numbers of those, white, black and in-between, fleeing the turmoil of the Haitian Revolution, particularly between 1790 and 1810.  Entire plantations relocated to Maryland directly from what eventually became Haiti, so there were other parts of the U.S. shaped by the French practice of slavery that resulted in substantial numbers of  free people of color.  The influx didn&#039;t come to New Orleans until the Spaniards  expelled the French Creoles who had taken refuge in Cuba. An account of the effect of the Haitian Revolution on Baltimore and the Chesapeake Bay would also be enlightening and compelling reading, particularly with regard to Louisville and the state of Kentucky as the center for enlistment of colored troops in the Union army.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cleburne&#039;s proposal, as I understand it, would have enlisted slaves for the southern cause directly from the plantations, so the social and demographic dynamic for an army of colored Confederate forces would have diverged sharply from what developed over the course of the war in the north. My contention is that the fall of Vicksburg did present a significant opportunity for the south to avail itself of Cleburne&#039;s plan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My Civil War ancestor served with a regiment that spent four months in Vicksburg, a year and a half in Little Rock, ten days in New Orleans, two months in Mobile and a month in Brazos Santiago, so he didn&#039;t really take part in the Civil War. But his wife&#039;s brother did.  He fought Cleburne at Bald Hill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was my claim and my sloppiness. Don&#39;t blame it on Sublette.  My apologies for the exaggeration. His research was for the period between 1720 and 1820.  There were lots  of changes demographically in the U.S. and a considerable increase in mobility between 1820 and 1860.  The book culminates with the Louisiana Purchase and the resulting Creole immigration from Cuba to New Orleans in 1810 followed by the Battle of New Orleans.   </p>
<p>Sublette points out that Baltimore was a primary destination for large numbers of those, white, black and in-between, fleeing the turmoil of the Haitian Revolution, particularly between 1790 and 1810.  Entire plantations relocated to Maryland directly from what eventually became Haiti, so there were other parts of the U.S. shaped by the French practice of slavery that resulted in substantial numbers of  free people of color.  The influx didn&#39;t come to New Orleans until the Spaniards  expelled the French Creoles who had taken refuge in Cuba. An account of the effect of the Haitian Revolution on Baltimore and the Chesapeake Bay would also be enlightening and compelling reading, particularly with regard to Louisville and the state of Kentucky as the center for enlistment of colored troops in the Union army.  </p>
<p>Cleburne&#39;s proposal, as I understand it, would have enlisted slaves for the southern cause directly from the plantations, so the social and demographic dynamic for an army of colored Confederate forces would have diverged sharply from what developed over the course of the war in the north. My contention is that the fall of Vicksburg did present a significant opportunity for the south to avail itself of Cleburne&#39;s plan.</p>
<p>My Civil War ancestor served with a regiment that spent four months in Vicksburg, a year and a half in Little Rock, ten days in New Orleans, two months in Mobile and a month in Brazos Santiago, so he didn&#39;t really take part in the Civil War. But his wife&#39;s brother did.  He fought Cleburne at Bald Hill.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard Lanier</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/02/08/how-best-to-respond-to-the-black-confederate-narrative/#comment-13611</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonard Lanier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take Sublette’s claims with a large grain of salt.  The evidence does not support some of the ideas presented in “The World That Made New Orleans.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Consider that claim about free people of color: that more lived in “New Orleans in 1862 than in all of the rest of the United States combined.”  Well, according to the 1860 Census, 18,647 free blacks lived in Louisiana, with 10,939 of those living in New Orleans.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By way of comparison, the 1860 Census lists the free black population of Maryland at 83,942.  The free colored population in Baltimore alone numbered 25,680, more than twice the number of free blacks living in New Orleans.  Even in Virginia, which mandated that manumitted slaves leave the state, the free black population came to over 58,000 in 1860.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By way of disclaimer, all these figures come from UVA’s Historical Census Browser, &lt;a href=&quot;http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/collections/stats/histcensus/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/collections/stat...&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take Sublette’s claims with a large grain of salt.  The evidence does not support some of the ideas presented in “The World That Made New Orleans.”</p>
<p>Consider that claim about free people of color: that more lived in “New Orleans in 1862 than in all of the rest of the United States combined.”  Well, according to the 1860 Census, 18,647 free blacks lived in Louisiana, with 10,939 of those living in New Orleans.</p>
<p>By way of comparison, the 1860 Census lists the free black population of Maryland at 83,942.  The free colored population in Baltimore alone numbered 25,680, more than twice the number of free blacks living in New Orleans.  Even in Virginia, which mandated that manumitted slaves leave the state, the free black population came to over 58,000 in 1860.</p>
<p>By way of disclaimer, all these figures come from UVA’s Historical Census Browser, <a href="http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/collections/stats/histcensus/index.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/collections/stat.." rel="nofollow">http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/collections/stat..</a>..</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing is that I don&#039;t think he had anything to do with the description, which suggests that he has little interest in how his name is used to market artifacts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing is that I don&#39;t think he had anything to do with the description, which suggests that he has little interest in how his name is used to market artifacts.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Craig.  Sounds like an interesting book.  You&#039;ve laid out a number of important questions for anyone interested in better understanding the city&#039;s racial dynamic.  It also functions as a warning that we shouldn&#039;t be so quick in using NO as a case study for rest of the South.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Craig.  Sounds like an interesting book.  You&#39;ve laid out a number of important questions for anyone interested in better understanding the city&#39;s racial dynamic.  It also functions as a warning that we shouldn&#39;t be so quick in using NO as a case study for rest of the South.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just finished reading Ned Sublette&#039;s book &#039;The World That Made New Orleans&#039;.  The book covers the period between 1720,  when the French first established New Orleans as a penal colony,  and 1820, eight years after Louisiana achieved statehood and New Orleans became the biggest slave market in the United States.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it&#039;s fascinating that New Orleans capitulated to the north as soon as Farragut could get a navy vessel up the river in 1862, while the nearby city of Mobile remained Confederate until after Lee had surrendered in April 1865. The British staged a massive assault on New Orleans in 1815 and were easily repulsed by Andrew Jackson and a handful of pirates.  How is it that Farragut encountered so little resistance?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; How exactly did slavery as practiced by the French and the Spanish differ from that practiced by the English and the Dutch? Why were there more free people of color living in New Orleans in 1862 than in all of the rest of the United States combined?  How many of those free people of color in New Orleans owned slaves? How many of them owned slaves legally? What does it mean to be emancipated? How is it different than being deported to Haiti or Liberia? Can a case be made that slavery actually ended during the French Revolution and not the American Civil War? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The rivers that flow into Mobile Bay originate in what Sublette called the Upper South. The river that flows through New Orleans originates in Canada and provided all of the Old Northwest with access to the Gulf.  Without Mobile the southern cause was lost. Without New Orleans the north had no chance in hell. When Vicksburg fell in the summer of &#039;63 thousands upon thousands of slaves in Mississippi, Arkansas and Louisiana were abruptly emancipated with the immediate prospect of death by either disease or starvation.  The Union army had no clue what to do with them all. The Confederacy had people in New Orleans who understood the concept of free people of color.  It also had a much clearer sense than the north of the mindset of masterless slaves. They lost the war when they failed to match the Union&#039;s offer of freedom,  but freedom restricted to those &#039;liberated&#039; slaves who had served the Confederate cause in uniform.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Look at the numbers for black enlistment in the Union army. Kentucky enlisted far more black soldiers than any other state.  The masterless slaves of Mississippi, Arkansas and Louisiana went up the river to enlist. How many would gladly have gone to Texas or Alabama to wear grey instead of blue if the promise of freedom had been on the table?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve just finished reading Ned Sublette&#39;s book &#39;The World That Made New Orleans&#39;.  The book covers the period between 1720,  when the French first established New Orleans as a penal colony,  and 1820, eight years after Louisiana achieved statehood and New Orleans became the biggest slave market in the United States.  </p>
<p>I think it&#39;s fascinating that New Orleans capitulated to the north as soon as Farragut could get a navy vessel up the river in 1862, while the nearby city of Mobile remained Confederate until after Lee had surrendered in April 1865. The British staged a massive assault on New Orleans in 1815 and were easily repulsed by Andrew Jackson and a handful of pirates.  How is it that Farragut encountered so little resistance?</p>
<p> How exactly did slavery as practiced by the French and the Spanish differ from that practiced by the English and the Dutch? Why were there more free people of color living in New Orleans in 1862 than in all of the rest of the United States combined?  How many of those free people of color in New Orleans owned slaves? How many of them owned slaves legally? What does it mean to be emancipated? How is it different than being deported to Haiti or Liberia? Can a case be made that slavery actually ended during the French Revolution and not the American Civil War? </p>
<p>The rivers that flow into Mobile Bay originate in what Sublette called the Upper South. The river that flows through New Orleans originates in Canada and provided all of the Old Northwest with access to the Gulf.  Without Mobile the southern cause was lost. Without New Orleans the north had no chance in hell. When Vicksburg fell in the summer of &#39;63 thousands upon thousands of slaves in Mississippi, Arkansas and Louisiana were abruptly emancipated with the immediate prospect of death by either disease or starvation.  The Union army had no clue what to do with them all. The Confederacy had people in New Orleans who understood the concept of free people of color.  It also had a much clearer sense than the north of the mindset of masterless slaves. They lost the war when they failed to match the Union&#39;s offer of freedom,  but freedom restricted to those &#39;liberated&#39; slaves who had served the Confederate cause in uniform.</p>
<p> Look at the numbers for black enlistment in the Union army. Kentucky enlisted far more black soldiers than any other state.  The masterless slaves of Mississippi, Arkansas and Louisiana went up the river to enlist. How many would gladly have gone to Texas or Alabama to wear grey instead of blue if the promise of freedom had been on the table?</p>
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		<title>By: Brooks D. Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooks D. Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly how do we know the race of the person in the image?  After all, it&#039;s been touched up with a mild colorization, including making the cheeks a bit rosier.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wes Cowan is really something of a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly how do we know the race of the person in the image?  After all, it&#39;s been touched up with a mild colorization, including making the cheeks a bit rosier.  </p>
<p>Wes Cowan is really something of a joke.</p>
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