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		<title>By: Margaret D. Blough</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/07/26/black-confederates-for-kids/#comment-19311</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret D. Blough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise=&quot;Uncle Tom&#039;s Cabin&quot; was dangerous BECAUSE of its accuracy.  If the book is fantasy or alternative history (like the one about what things might have been like if Lee had automatic weapons at Gettysburg), then describe it as such.  BTW, you are the only one bringing up book burning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise=&#8221;Uncle Tom&#8217;s Cabin&#8221; was dangerous BECAUSE of its accuracy.  If the book is fantasy or alternative history (like the one about what things might have been like if Lee had automatic weapons at Gettysburg), then describe it as such.  BTW, you are the only one bringing up book burning.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/07/26/black-confederates-for-kids/#comment-19310</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the suggestion, but I am not a fan of book burning.</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/07/26/black-confederates-for-kids/#comment-19288</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ken,

Thanks for providing the context for that particular reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ken,</p>
<p>Thanks for providing the context for that particular reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Noe</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/07/26/black-confederates-for-kids/#comment-19287</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Noe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean General Barnard Bee, not &quot;Bell.&quot;  And actually, James I. Robertson has concluded that the &quot;first version&quot; of the Stonewall Jackson story you mention is the correct one.  He came to that conclusion after conducting a great deal of research over the years, weighing all of it carefully, and presenting his evidence pro and con as well as his conclusions in print, where others could weigh and critique it.  That&#039;s how you decide what&#039;s correct.  Before you take Richard Harris&#039;s words as gospel, for example, ask yourself some more questions. Who was he?   What was going on in Mississippi in February 1890?   Does it matter that a few months later a brand new Mississippi state constitution would throw him and other black legislators out of office, or legally deny all blacks the right to vote?  Is it possible that he was trying to head that off?  And how would a court judge evidence presented 35 years after the fact?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean General Barnard Bee, not &#8220;Bell.&#8221;  And actually, James I. Robertson has concluded that the &#8220;first version&#8221; of the Stonewall Jackson story you mention is the correct one.  He came to that conclusion after conducting a great deal of research over the years, weighing all of it carefully, and presenting his evidence pro and con as well as his conclusions in print, where others could weigh and critique it.  That&#8217;s how you decide what&#8217;s correct.  Before you take Richard Harris&#8217;s words as gospel, for example, ask yourself some more questions. Who was he?   What was going on in Mississippi in February 1890?   Does it matter that a few months later a brand new Mississippi state constitution would throw him and other black legislators out of office, or legally deny all blacks the right to vote?  Is it possible that he was trying to head that off?  And how would a court judge evidence presented 35 years after the fact?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/07/26/black-confederates-for-kids/#comment-19263</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the point is that DiLorenzo does not have a version since he has not done any research on this issue.  If you can show me a study that he has done on this issue than perhaps I will have something more to say.  If you are actually interested in this subject than I highly recommend that you read Bruce Levine&#039;s book, _Confederate Emancipation_.  I don&#039;t really know what you are getting at here.  

It is a fairly straightforward process to determine whether an individual served as a soldier.  Again, you need to look at the muster rolls and enlistment papers.  Is there any evidence in DiLorenzo&#039;s book that he has done this research?  If he has than you ought to share it with us.  If he hasn&#039;t than his commentary is worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the point is that DiLorenzo does not have a version since he has not done any research on this issue.  If you can show me a study that he has done on this issue than perhaps I will have something more to say.  If you are actually interested in this subject than I highly recommend that you read Bruce Levine&#8217;s book, _Confederate Emancipation_.  I don&#8217;t really know what you are getting at here.  </p>
<p>It is a fairly straightforward process to determine whether an individual served as a soldier.  Again, you need to look at the muster rolls and enlistment papers.  Is there any evidence in DiLorenzo&#8217;s book that he has done this research?  If he has than you ought to share it with us.  If he hasn&#8217;t than his commentary is worthless.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/07/26/black-confederates-for-kids/#comment-19259</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is so curious is the inability of so many to appreciate why Confederate authorities would have been hesitant to equip slaves with rifles.  White southerners expended a great deal of energy preventing such an occurrence throughout the antebellum period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is so curious is the inability of so many to appreciate why Confederate authorities would have been hesitant to equip slaves with rifles.  White southerners expended a great deal of energy preventing such an occurrence throughout the antebellum period.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Musick</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/07/26/black-confederates-for-kids/#comment-19257</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Musick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my mind, the salient difference between the thousands of men enlisted in the USCT and the thousands of African Americans conscripted as laborers by the Confederacy is that the former were regularly issued arms and ammunition, and the latter were not.</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/07/26/black-confederates-for-kids/#comment-19255</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise,

If you want to know if any individual served as a soldier in the Confederate ranks you need to consult the relevant primary sources.  You need to check out the relevant muster rolls and enlistment papers for the individual.  Lorenzo is not a serious historian and he certainly has not done any research on this topic.  I have no idea what sources Lorenzo used nor do I have any way of identifying the individuals referenced in your quote.  

Please understand that this is not the way to go about researching this subject.  Slaves were not enlisted as soldiers.  The Confederate government was explicit on this issue until the very end of the war.  What exactly do you think you are looking for?  Again, go to the regimental records and find the papers.  Anything short of that is a complete waste of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise,</p>
<p>If you want to know if any individual served as a soldier in the Confederate ranks you need to consult the relevant primary sources.  You need to check out the relevant muster rolls and enlistment papers for the individual.  Lorenzo is not a serious historian and he certainly has not done any research on this topic.  I have no idea what sources Lorenzo used nor do I have any way of identifying the individuals referenced in your quote.  </p>
<p>Please understand that this is not the way to go about researching this subject.  Slaves were not enlisted as soldiers.  The Confederate government was explicit on this issue until the very end of the war.  What exactly do you think you are looking for?  Again, go to the regimental records and find the papers.  Anything short of that is a complete waste of time.</p>
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		<title>By: D B Cooper</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/07/26/black-confederates-for-kids/#comment-19253</link>
		<dc:creator>D B Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My source was T J Lorenzo.

the next section is the finish of the speach

When the news came that the South had been invaded, those men went forth to fight for what they believed, and they made no requests for monuments. But they died, and their virtues should be remembered. Sir, I went with them. I too, wore the Gray, the same color my master wore. We stayed four long years, and if that war had gone on till now I would have been there yet. I want to honor those brave men who died for their convictions. When my mother died I was a boy. Who, Sir, then acted the part of a mother to the orphaned slave boy, but my &quot;old missus&quot;? Were she living now, or could speak to me from those high realms where are gathered the sainted dead, she would tell me to vote for this bill. And, Sir, I shall vote for it. I want it known to all the world that my vote is given in favor of the bill to erect a monument in honor of the Confederate dead.&quot;
On the day of the vote, former Slave John Harris was joined in equaled zeal by 6 other Black Representatives in the Mississippi Legislature to pass the bill for the Confederate Memorial. It is amazing how much history has been deliberately buried and suppressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My source was T J Lorenzo.</p>
<p>the next section is the finish of the speach</p>
<p>When the news came that the South had been invaded, those men went forth to fight for what they believed, and they made no requests for monuments. But they died, and their virtues should be remembered. Sir, I went with them. I too, wore the Gray, the same color my master wore. We stayed four long years, and if that war had gone on till now I would have been there yet. I want to honor those brave men who died for their convictions. When my mother died I was a boy. Who, Sir, then acted the part of a mother to the orphaned slave boy, but my &#8220;old missus&#8221;? Were she living now, or could speak to me from those high realms where are gathered the sainted dead, she would tell me to vote for this bill. And, Sir, I shall vote for it. I want it known to all the world that my vote is given in favor of the bill to erect a monument in honor of the Confederate dead.&#8221;<br />
On the day of the vote, former Slave John Harris was joined in equaled zeal by 6 other Black Representatives in the Mississippi Legislature to pass the bill for the Confederate Memorial. It is amazing how much history has been deliberately buried and suppressed.</p>
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		<title>By: D B Cooper</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/07/26/black-confederates-for-kids/#comment-19252</link>
		<dc:creator>D B Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Kevin my computer burped, the second comment was simply the finish of the speech given by Legislator Richard Harris .
                                       With your permission the finish of Richard Harri&#039;s speech
                                                               
&quot;When the news came that the South had been invaded, those men went forth to fight for what they believed, and they made no requests for monuments. But they died, and their virtues should be remembered. Sir, I went with them. I too, wore the Gray, the same color my master wore. We stayed four long years, and if that war had gone on till now I would have been there yet. I want to honor those brave men who died for their convictions. When my mother died I was a boy. Who, Sir, then acted the part of a mother to the orphaned slave boy, but my &quot;old missus&quot;? Were she living now, or could speak to me from those high realms where are gathered the sainted dead, she would tell me to vote for this bill. And, Sir, I shall vote for it. I want it known to all the world that my vote is given in favor of the bill to erect a monument in honor of the Confederate dead.&quot;

On the day of the vote, former Slave John Harris was joined in equaled zeal by 6 other Black Representatives in the Mississippi Legislature to pass the bill for the Confederate Memorial. It is amazing how much history has been deliberately buried and suppressed.
 My source-T J Lorenzo.



So was he a soldier or a slave?

Denise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Kevin my computer burped, the second comment was simply the finish of the speech given by Legislator Richard Harris .<br />
                                       With your permission the finish of Richard Harri&#8217;s speech</p>
<p>&#8220;When the news came that the South had been invaded, those men went forth to fight for what they believed, and they made no requests for monuments. But they died, and their virtues should be remembered. Sir, I went with them. I too, wore the Gray, the same color my master wore. We stayed four long years, and if that war had gone on till now I would have been there yet. I want to honor those brave men who died for their convictions. When my mother died I was a boy. Who, Sir, then acted the part of a mother to the orphaned slave boy, but my &#8220;old missus&#8221;? Were she living now, or could speak to me from those high realms where are gathered the sainted dead, she would tell me to vote for this bill. And, Sir, I shall vote for it. I want it known to all the world that my vote is given in favor of the bill to erect a monument in honor of the Confederate dead.&#8221;</p>
<p>On the day of the vote, former Slave John Harris was joined in equaled zeal by 6 other Black Representatives in the Mississippi Legislature to pass the bill for the Confederate Memorial. It is amazing how much history has been deliberately buried and suppressed.<br />
 My source-T J Lorenzo.</p>
<p>So was he a soldier or a slave?</p>
<p>Denise</p>
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		<title>By: Brooks D. Simpson</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/07/26/black-confederates-for-kids/#comment-19251</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooks D. Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is involuntary service slavery?&quot;

Are you arguing that the draft is slavery, and that selective service thus violates the 13th Amendment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is involuntary service slavery?&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you arguing that the draft is slavery, and that selective service thus violates the 13th Amendment?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Levin</title>
		<link>http://cwmemory.com/2010/07/26/black-confederates-for-kids/#comment-19250</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is that one fought as a soldier in the United States army and the other functioned as an impressed slave or servant (personal slave) within the Confederate army.  The former was a free man and the latter was not.  Your comparison with WWII makes absolutely no sense given that they fought as United Soldiers, though you are correct in pointing out that they were discriminated against.  The distinction has nothing to do with what jobs they performed, but with their official designation.  This is not difficult.

p.s. You will notice that your other comment was not approved.  I am not turning the comments section into a platform for people to share stories that they&#039;ve picked up in some unidentified source w/o any analysis of the content.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is that one fought as a soldier in the United States army and the other functioned as an impressed slave or servant (personal slave) within the Confederate army.  The former was a free man and the latter was not.  Your comparison with WWII makes absolutely no sense given that they fought as United Soldiers, though you are correct in pointing out that they were discriminated against.  The distinction has nothing to do with what jobs they performed, but with their official designation.  This is not difficult.</p>
<p>p.s. You will notice that your other comment was not approved.  I am not turning the comments section into a platform for people to share stories that they&#8217;ve picked up in some unidentified source w/o any analysis of the content.</p>
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