Another View of the Virginia Flaggers

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This video was taken yesterday outside of an establishment created to foster understanding, creativity and yes…expression. However type of expression has many negative and absolutely hateful associations and should not be tolerated. Young people don’t forget why this should not be tolerated! As for the black woman in the video…yes, the one who is proudly waving the flag…..of all examples to set….why this one?? The choice to do something in public is a choice that only you can make….but please, help me understand why you needed to wave THAT flag in public!!??

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15 comments… add one
  • Dave Tatum Jun 15, 2012 @ 10:15

    Kevin, I have walked the front lines with Karen Cooper (The black woman waving the battle flag)
    You asked “ As for the black woman in the video…yes, the one who is proudly waving the flag…..of all examples to set….why this one?? “
    Karen is an advocate of States Rights and The Constitution.
    That seems like a fine Example to set for the next Generation ! Do you have a problem with that ?


    • Kevin Levin Jun 15, 2012 @ 10:39

      I’ll let this one through since it displays your inability to read. The post clearly says, “accompanying text” which means that the opinion expressed is not mine. I suggest you contact the individual(s) responsible for this video.

      And if Karen is really a states rights advocate than someone should inform her that she is carrying the wrong flag.

      • Karen Cooper Jun 16, 2012 @ 12:02

        Really Kevin, when where Yankees ever for States rights? I proudly carry and display the Confederate Battle Flag because I know why those men Defended themselves. You see I only like Real Men and Real Men to Stand Up and Die for what they believe in as do I. 🙂

        • Kevin Levin Jun 16, 2012 @ 12:06

          Hi Karen,

          Thanks for taking the time time to comment. Unfortunately, I have no idea what you are talking about. Please note that the text included in this video is not mine.

          • Karen Cooper Jun 16, 2012 @ 13:32

            Kevin I am referring to your last sentence above mine.

            • Kevin Levin Jun 16, 2012 @ 13:43

              The point I was making was to suggest that the common belief that the Confederacy represented an alternative to the Lincoln administration’s increasing centralization is a myth. Both nations took steps to mobilize for war, which involved governments reaching into citizens’ lives in unprecedented ways.

              It could be argued that the Confederacy went even further than the United States in just this way. Arguably, the best example of this is the impressment of tens of thousands of slaves by the Confederate government for war related projects. Slaveholders objected vehemently to this practice as a violation of their property rights.

              I hope that clarifies things.

              • Al Wilson Jun 17, 2012 @ 8:21

                Kevin Levin, I know Karen Cooper personally and I proudly stand with her on the flagging line. You are either a pure Yankee, or a Scalawag, or have been decieved by 150 years plus of Federal propaganda, whatever the case may be. History in a war is written by the victors. the undisputable truth is out there to be found if you would take off those Yankee blinders and just dig for it. An excellent guide as to where to find this truth can be found in the book “The South Was Right!”, by James Ronald & Walter Donald Kennedy. In this book they don’t just give their opinions alone, but they cite certain provable documents the Fed don’t want want one to know about, and give quotes from Confederate soldiers and ex-slaves. If you take the time to read it with an open mind with the Yankee blinders off you might come away converted, unless you’re afraid of the TRUTH!!!. You said that the south would Impress slave into service, WRONG! The south offered freedom to slaves who would freely enlist and free blacks enlisted too. YANKEES, on the other hand, would capture slaves and FORCE them to fight. MR. Levin, you had better do your research and get your facts streight.

                • Kevin Levin Jun 17, 2012 @ 12:11

                  Thanks for the advice, Al.

                  • Rob Baker Jun 17, 2012 @ 15:42

                    Yea you Yankee Scalawag. Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter is the definitive work on the Civil War. McPherson? Please.

                    • Kevin Levin Jun 17, 2012 @ 15:43

                      This summer I plan on reading through the entire Pelican Press catalog, including Lincoln Uber Alles. 🙂

                    • Rob Baker Jun 17, 2012 @ 15:50

                      Well the “Confederate Coloring and Learning” book is a classic worthy of any classroom.

                • Jim Dick Jun 18, 2012 @ 5:01

                  Is there a more definitive statement that would demonstrate exactly why the Lost Cause is a total lie than this post by Mr. Wilson? I mean let’s be serious. When a book written by two respiratory air technicians is considered to be a serious academic work only because it advocates the Lost Cause lie while offering no facts to support the erroneous conclusions, but instead relies on incorrect myths while taking things out of context, that’s when I question someone’s knowledge. If someone thinks that book is accurate, then they need to get a refund on any education they’ve received including kindergarten.
                  You might as well believe in the Easter Bunny.
                  I have the book sitting on my shelf because I ran into so many people who thought it was real. It is a shining example of what a polemic work is. It should be filed under the fiction section with reference works on Bigfoot, the Bermuda Triangle, the Abominable Snowman, and the Loch Ness Monster.
                  I just have to laugh when people cite that book. I can’t even take them seriously. As far as I’m concerned that book changed the symbolism of the Confederate battle flag from racism to ignorance.

                  • Rob Baker Jun 18, 2012 @ 6:22


                    I also have the book on my shelf. You’ve pretty much captured its essence with taking things out of context. Misrepresenting statistics is another thing included in the pseudo-history of that book. I bought because I saw it at Barnes and Noble and was like….”uhhhhh”

                    • Jim Dick Jun 18, 2012 @ 7:20

                      The book by the Kennedy’s, or actually any book by those two is just a waste of paper. They’re kind of like the Politically Incorrect Guides which present a similar distorted perception of history by using half truths, some facts, and omitting anything that would make their assessments incorrect.

                      It’s kind of like some people I have in some classes that state they’re going to be teachers and teach the Conservative or Liberal viewpoint of history. My response is what about the other 75% of history? What about the stuff you don’t like? It’s still history and it is extremely relevant. You can’t omit any of it because if you do you get an incomplete result that isn’t even close to being right.

                      That’s the problem with polemic writing or polemic teaching. It fails on so many levels.

  • Rob Baker Jun 14, 2012 @ 16:41

    Interesting. The poster of this video made a YouTube account today and posted this as their first video.

    I’m wondering where the poster of the video fits in this spectrum.

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