Should Barack Obama Place a Wreath at the Confederate Memorial at Arlington?

May 20, 2009

in Lost Cause, Memory, Slavery, Southern History

Update on 5/22: Quoted in Judy Pasternak’s piece at the Daily Beast.

Shistorian ociologist James Loewen and Edward Sebesta (his blog) have written a letter calling on President Obama to discontinue this practice as party of Memorial Day exercises:

Since the administration of Woodrow Wilson, presidents have sent annually a wreath to the Arlington Confederate Monument. Prior to the administration of George H. W. Bush, this was done on or near the birthday of Jefferson Davis.  Starting with George H.W. Bush, it has been done on Memorial Day.  We ask you to not send a wreath or some other commemorative token to the Arlington Confederate Monument during your administration or after.

Their letter, along with a number of signatures by notable historians, was recently published on the History News Network.  The content of the letter outlines the racial and political context of the early twentieth century by citing a number of the speeches that were given at the monument’s dedication, including President Wilson’s.  Yes, the monument is a reflection of the Lost Cause myth, which emphasizes the bravery of the men who fought in Confederate ranks.  It downplays the role of slavery as the cause of secession/war and emphasizes states rights; in addition, the monument gives expression to the myth of the loyal slave both before and during the war.  In that sense, the monument has much in common with most Civil War monuments that were erected between 1880 and the first few decades of the twentieth century.  As interpretation, I have very little problem with the content of this letter, though the tone of it is likely to alienate rather than engage the general public in an open dialog – no surprise there.

While I am sympathetic with their view of this matter, I think it would be a bad idea for Obama to end this practice.  While I do not agree with all of Obama’s policies, the one thing that I have come to appreciate is his willingness to engage constructively with those he disagrees.  The president’s visit to Notre Dame this weekend is a case in point and reflects his enthusiasm for taking on extremely complex and emotionally-charged issues in a mature and honest manner.  There are no doubt moments where the president must be decisive in making specific decisions, and this will no doubt alienate and/or disappoint others, but this man cares what others believe and even seems to be willing to amend his own outlook when presented with a compelling argument.  I value having a president who is thoughtful, who listens, and who makes me think.

My problem with this letter is that it is a non-starter.  It is unlikely to lead to anything approaching constructive dialog and it is likely to lead to increased tension and misunderstanding.  Just check out the comments section of the HNN post for evidence of this.  It’s not simply a matter of picking and choosing one’s battles, but it is also how intelligently we choose to take on certain subjects.  Under extreme pressure, President Obama has already demonstrated that he can intelligently address some of the tough questions, from his Philadelphia speech on race back in May to this past weekend’s speech on abortion at Notre Dame.  I will leave it to Loewen and Sebesta to explain what good a refusal to send a wreath to Arlington would do in the short- or long-term.

  • Byron Johnson
    Someone simply said the Presdient appreciates Civil War history. I believe this to be true. To: Mike from May 20th 2009 at 12:08 pm. Interesting dilenma in your quote that day in as far as Wilson. I studied (and still do). A bit on Josephus Daniels from that era interested me.

    btw: What do you think of Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst from the other day?
  • Kevin Chapman
    Im very late on this but ..wow.

    I can't imagine him attending. Sending the wreath is enough..but It would have been wise for him to stay as FAR AWAY from that event as possible. Obama is President and has a responsibility to honor all Americans..but he's also a human being. How could anyone expect him to attend that event as a man of color?

    Are you serious? Despite whatever everyone's interpretation of what the rebel flag means to them the flag already has a bad rap..
    I can't imagine Obama at full attention with the rebel flag in the background paying tribute to a cause that would have made his advancements in life not possible.

    Might as well make a Jewish President throw a reef over a WW2 German Soldier memorial..

    Their ancestors saw them as heroes.. while Jews remember them as carrying out the policies of their oppressors.

    Draws the same internal conflict..
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  • Ken Noe
    In the end, Obama sent the wreath, as well as one to the African-American memorial.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7669826...
  • Thanks for the link, Ken. It's exactly what Loewen and Sebesta should have suggested from the beginning.
  • Kevin:

    Both your piece and Caitlin's are referenced in a May 20 piece on the "Religion in American History" blog.

    http://usreligion.blogspot.com/2009/05/arlingto...

    I thought that was an interesting place to find a reference to your piece, given the term "Lost Cause religion."
  • Greg,

    Thanks. I noticed that. I've referenced the Lost Cause as a religion on a number of occasions. Charles Reagan Wilson expounds on this in his book _Baptized in Blood_ which I highly recommend.
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  • Bob_Pollock
    I got in a hurry (had to go give a tour) and I see I made typos. Sorry about that. Obviously, you said the warrior chiefs did NOT go along with the Peace Policy. And "corryupot", wow! That's corrupt.
  • Bob_Pollock
    Sheree,

    First, let me say that I don't think there is any way you could offend me. As has been stated on this blog many times, history is complex and open to interpretation. Although I have a BA in Political Science and an MA in History, the one thing my education taught me is that I will never know everything there is to know. That is what makes forums like these so interesting. I will freely admit that I think the weight of historic evidence strongly favors certain interpretations in some of the time periods I have studied, but I am not offended by those who favor interpretations I think are wrong.

    Having said that, the main point of my comment was to respond to your statement that no one was considering how to include Native Americans in the new republic that emerged after the Civil War. They were. President Grant in particular. I would not want to defend the corryupot and duplicitous actions of the U.s. government in its dealing with Native Americans, but in assessing Grant's Peace Policy we must ask what reasonable alternatives there might have been. In Grant's mind the advance of white civilization was unstoppable and would eventually overwhelm Native American culture, eventually leading to their complete extinction. We can argue that was is not fair, but it was reality. The only way it might have been stopped was if Europeans had not come to North America in the first place. Therefore, the only way to save them was to help them assimilate. Assimilation was not someting that was only asked of Native Americans, it was asked of everyone who came to this country.

    You state that "the great warrior chiefs of the Apache, the Nez Perces, the Cheyenne, and the Lakota were overly fond of this philosophy. " You are correct, and this is one reason why the years of Grant's Peace Policy are the bloodiest in the history of U.S./Native American relations. But evidence suggests that not all Native Americans opposed the policy, and it seems to me the warrior chiefs were afraid of losing their power. Our leaders don't always lead us in ways that are most beneficial to us. Alao. the first commissioner of Indian Affairs appoiunted by Grant was a full blooded Seneca Indian named Ely Parker. Parker had been on Grant's staff during the war and he fully supported Grant's policy. Grant , I'm sure, was heavily influenced by his friend.

    Finally, and I hope I am not offending you, it is easy to romanticize "Indigenous" peoples, but people are people, and Native Americans were not always peace loving inhabitants living in harmony with the land. I would urge you to read Lawrie Tatum's account mentioned in my last post.
  • Bob,

    This is an interesting exchange and I appreciate that the two of you have taken the time to flesh out your own view and question one another in a respectful manner. I am no expert, but I think Bob's final point about our tendency to generalize and even idealize Native Americans is a disservice. [Sherree, I am not suggesting that you are doing so.] To that point I definitely need to read more. I am looking forward to starting Elliott West's new book, The Last Indian War (Oxford University Press (2009) this summer. Thanks again.
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  • Bob_Pollock
    Sherree,

    You wrote:
    "I agree with progressive historians that the seeds for the founding of a new republic were sown in the early days of Reconstruction for black men and women, and then cruelly taken away. How about for Indigenous men and women, though? Were they even considered? I know that I am beginning to sound like a broken record, but the history of the new republic is silent when it comes to America‘s oldest inhabitants, just as the history of the original republic was. (unless there are large areas of published research of which I am unaware) "

    This is way off the topic of this post, but if our host will indulge me, I would like to try to answer your query.

    The history of the republic, old and new, is far from silent regarding Native-Americans. But to speak directly to the post Civil War era, they were certainly considered.

    In his first Presidential inauguration speech on March 4, 1869, Ulysses S. Grant declared: "The proper treatment of the original occupants of this land, the Indian, is one deserving of careful study. I will favor any course toward them which tends to their civilization and ultimate citizenship."

    The New York Daily World reported that President Grant had informed a delegation from the Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek, and Chickasaw nations that "he was glad to be informed that they would aid the policy for peace between whites and the Indians, and would be glad of any measure which would accomplish that peace and lead to their civilization and ultimately make them citizens of the government. He felt that the march of civilization alone must itself effect the civilization of the tribes now hostile to the government."

    In an interview with The Boston Daily Advertiser, Grant said: "Our dealings with the Indian properly leave us open to charges of cruelty and swindling," and he avowed that "All Indians disposed to peace will find the new policy a peace-policy."

    Grant's policy became known as the Peace Policy. His idea was to concentrate Indians on reservations where they would be away from the corrupting influences of the worst of white civilization. They would be taught English, learn to be farmers, and become good Christians. They would be paid for the land they vacated, and be provided with food and other necessities, until such time as they would become self-sufficient. The Peace Policy emphasized a spirit of kindness. Today it may seem like supreme white mans' arrogance but at the time it represented an honest attempt by the highest official in the land to bring justice to the Indian and harmony to the frontier. Grant believed that American citizenship and its attendent rights and privileges was the greatest gift a person could receive. But citizenship carried with it responsibilities that required education.

    Grant's Peace Policy faced numerous obstacles (which I don't have space to go into here) and was praised and attacked with equal vigor, but he continued throughout his two terms to achieve his goals. In his second Inaugural address he re-affirmed his support of the Peace Policy. He said: "My efforts in the future will be... by a humane course, to bring the aborigines of the country under the benign influences of education and civilization. It is either this or war of extermination: Wars of extermination...are expensive even against the weakest people, and are demoralizing and wicked. Our superiority of strength and advantages of civilization should make as lenient toward the Indian. The wrong inflicted on him should be taken into account and the balance placed to his credit."

    Here are some studies I recommend:

    The Reformers and the American Indian by Robert Winston Mardock, 1971.

    Savagism and Civilization, A Study of the Indian and the American Mind by Roy Harvey Pearce, 1965.

    American Indian Policy in Crisis; Christian Reformers and the Indian by Francis Paul Prucha, 1976.
    The Great Father, The United States Government and the American Indians by Prucha, 1984
    Americanizing the American Indians, Writings by the "Friends of the Indian" ed. by Prucha, 1973

    The Indian Frontier of the American West 1846-1890 by Robert M. Utley, 1984

    For an excellent first person account of a Quaker Indian agent's attempt to bring civilization and education to Indians of the Southwest read:
    Our Red Brothers and the Peace Policy of President Ulysses S. Grant by Lawrie Tatum, originally published in 1899, reprinted 1970.

    For primary documents there is the multi-volume publication The American Indian and the United States, A Documentary History ed. by Wilcomb E. Washburn, 1973.

    I would also suggest the chapter in Jean Edward Smith's excellent biography of Grant which covers this topic.
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  • Sherree,

    Thanks for covering my back. :)

    Ken,

    I've always thought that these people constitute a very small minority. The Internet magnifies their presence, but for the most part you have to go looking for these people to even know they exist. They are good for a few laughs.
  • Mike
    I dropped by before I shut it down for the weekend. Bob the Bible set up rules and regulations for Slavery and for the most part from my study many in the South did not follow those Teachings from the Old and New Testament. I will never say that it was not Evil. The South was no more Perfect than the North and both bear the blame and shame of Slavery and for the War. Kevin : As for King Georges Statue, I might have wanted it preserved. Yet seeing the Passion of the time I also might have been the one pulling on the rope.
    See you all Tuesday unless I'm near a PC on Monday. Remember all those who died for our Great Nation and say a prayer for those serving today.
  • Ken Noe
    I'm struck that many of the people currently "discussing" this issue on HNN, like Kevin's friend in #134417, are pretty much the same non-Alabamans who camped for days on the Opelika-Auburn News website after our local cemetery flag flap, and who kept are stirring the pot long after the city councilman apologized and we locals moved on. Indeed, they seem to turn up everywhere online. Throw in their many pseudonyms and I wonder if in actuality we're only dealing with a relatively small group of posters with really good internet contracts.
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  • Bob_Pollock
    Wow, Kevin, I see you have been honored in comment #134417. Better watch your back.
  • Bob,

    Wow...I had a feeling that this letter would bring out the crazies:

    "I agree, and the Kevin Levin is one of their ilk! They are in to present ism, South Bashing, and hatred of the Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy. Levin is born in the North teaching students n VIRGINIA! Keep your eyes peeled for him and let him have it with both barrels."
  • Bob_Pollock
    Kevin,

    This may not be related to this post, and you don't have to put it through, but it is something I have been thinking about while reading your blog and others. Mike seems to have touched on it here, and that is the concept of changing values and morals.

    It is interesting that those who most want to defend the Confederacy often are the most conservative and often are professing Christians. They want to argue that God's laws don't change. In other words real values and morals don't (or shouldn't) change over time. And yet they are the same ones who argue that we shouldn't judge the Confederacy by today's values and morality. When this comes up, you often agree with this, as you do with Mike above. I agree with you that as historians we must be objective, but it does raise the question of whether or not morals do or should change over time. I'm reading Bruce Levine's Half Slave and Half Free. He included this: "And not even childbearing and its promise of enhancing the master's wealth gauranteed safety from physical punishment. Master's determined to discipline a pregnant slave simply 'made [her] lie face down in a specially dug depression in the ground' before laying on the whip." Would any one want to argue that this was morally defensible even in the antebellum period?

    I realize there were those who argued that slavery was divinely ordained and morally right. Melton A. McLaurin, who wrote a book called Celia, A Slave, which is a case study of an incident here in Missouri, said slavery produced a "fundamental moral anxiety." He wrote: "This fundamental moral anxiety and the moral dilemnas that produced it, were at the heart of the institution of slavery... For many antebellum southerners, including the large majority of those who held no slaves, the moral dilemnas of slavery were hardly abstractions to be debated. They were instead among the inescapable realities of daily life, a significant aspect of the society."

    Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. wrote: "A society closed in the defense of evil institutions thus creates moral differences far too profound to be solved by compromise. Such a society forces upon every one, both those living at the time and those writing about it later, the necessity for a moral judgement; and the moral judgement in such cases becomes an indispensable factor in the historical understanding."

    Today's Confederate supporters don't like the Confederacy being compared to Nazi Germany. (You may have noticed this exchange of comments on Robert's blog.) This is exactly what Schlesinger was doing. In 1949, by the way. Evil is evil - or is it? Does the definition of evil change over time?

    Just food for thought.
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  • What, 25 more comments, and not one person answered my inquiry about "snivelling mouth breathers"? From where does this epithet come? :) - TL
  • Mike
    Kevin that sounds like revisionist theology Brother, Folks say that about the Bible all the time. I am some what humored about all this since I never knew there was a Confederate Monument at Arlington until last year when I was doing some research for a Memorial Day Sermon I was to make for a local Baptist Church. IMO all Historical Markers are worthy of maintaining and Study for no other reason than they are Historical.

    All Ya'll have a safe Memorial Day Weekend and Remember All gave some & Some gave ALL.

    See you Next Tuesday.
  • Mike,

    Call it whatever you want. Monuments are constantly being reinterpreted and there is nothing strange about that at all. I can just imagine you in NYC for the tearing down of King George: "Wait a minute, all monuments are worthy of being maintained." :) Remember, monuments are not simply about the event/individual commemorated, they are as much about the people who organized and erected the monument.

    Enjoy the weekend.
  • Mike
    Thanks for the info Kevin. When it comes to historical Monuments we need to learn why they placed there; Respect the Dead, Learn what they represent (with in the Culture and Times that they lived), learn from their mistakes and vow not to repeat them. Trying to place 2009 thoughts, morals and social ideas on a group of people who were in truely a different time is wrong and gets us no where. IMO it is not conductive to conciliatory dialogue.
  • Mike,

    Glad to hear that the information is helpful. I agree that it doesn't help much to work toward an understanding of the past by judging it based on our own values. It's much too easy and fails to lead to real understanding. On the other hand, historic markers in public spaces must both be understood as expressions of the efforts and beliefs of previous generations and deemed worthy of continued maintenance by the present community. Public spaces that include historic markers are not static, but must continually be renegotiated by the community.
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  • All,

    Let's keep this discussion focused on the topic at hand.

    Thanks
  • ghost
    Matt McKeon-
    "I mean, in Dublin the IRA blew up a statue of Admiral Nelson, a symbol of British rule, leading to the classic headline “British Admiral Leaves Dublin by Air.” That’s protesting a statue."
    ===================

    Are you suggesting we have a 'War of the Monuments?'

    Remember Mr. McKeon, there are many monuments, North as well as South.

    Lincoln, Sherman, John Brown...

    Anybody want to go down thet route?
  • Ghost,

    I don't think Matt is suggesting anything that Americans have not already carried out themselves at different times in our history. I seem to remember a band of angry Americans tearing down a statue of King George in what was then King's College in New York City. Such actions took place up and down the 13 colonies on the eve of the American Revolution. Please don't interpret this as an argument for tearing down monuments.
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  • Greg,

    Again, Obama is not scheduled to attend. The question is whether the White House should send a wreath to the location.

    I agree with Caitlin at Vast Public Indifference. The smart thing to do is send the wreath and also send one to the new African American Civil War Memorial in the Cardoza District of D.C. http://vastpublicindifference.blogspot.com/2009...
  • Sociologist James Loewen.
  • Excuse me, I went back to look, it's four dozen.
  • Kevin, you beat me to it. I had to turn grades in today and was finishing up some of that last night, so was unable to get to it. I agree with you and Ken. Ayers' signature does little to advance their cause. I think any statement President Obama might make by not attending would be viewed by certain groups as personal and self-serving. While he is entitled to do that, it does not match his approach to race relations. He might not attend the event, but he will not do so for other reasons than a dozen historians asking him not to attend.
  • James Bartek
    Kevin,

    I find it fascinating, as I believe you've pointed out before, how the ancestors of soldiers who fought to preserve Anglo supremacy are now seeking legitimacy through claims of multi-culturalism, racial tolerance, and ethnic diversity, while labeling those who criticize them as racist.

    Re: this comment on HNN: http://hnn.us/readcomment.php?id=134359&bhe...

    Still, disingenuous as it is, the tone of the comment strikes me as more considered and conciliatory than the petition which provoked it - aside from the quip about the "raciest group of learned people," of course. That's slick.

    Again, fascinating. And too bad the signatories are listed alphabetically. "Ayers," front and center.... There's truth in the adage that academics make the worst politicians. It's easy enough to attack flawed beliefs. To do so through constructive dialogue, however, without haranguing or alienating (or screaming), requires some pretty sweet social skills. And patience.
  • matt mckeon
    I mean, in Dublin the IRA blew up a statue of Admiral Nelson, a symbol of British rule, leading to the classic headline "British Admiral Leaves Dublin by Air." That's protesting a statue.
  • matt mckeon
    Headline:
    "Professors demand symbolic protest of symbol."
  • Peter
    As I recall, Ronald Reagan seemed to get in a spot of trouble for honoring men fighting for what they believed in.
  • John Wood
    He should follow tradition and place the wreath. He is honoring men for fighting what they believed in not some political statement. "Old times are not forgotten..."
  • Ken Noe
    I could be wrong, but something tells me that the president and his advisers won't be eager to follow advice offered in a letter signed by, among others, the now-legendary William Ayers.
  • Ken,

    That was my first thought. If they had any chance at all in convincing the president they blew it by allowing Ayers to sign this.
  • Mike
    I agree with you to a point about the Flag. But Calling on the President of the USA to not place flowers at a Monument as others have done since Woodrow Wilson is Taking things too far. I want everybody to get along and go along.
  • Mike,

    Let me be clear that from what I read the president will not attend the ceremony personally. I also don't think that by canceling the wreath that this would be "taking things too far." My problem is that it has no potential to lead to anything productive along the lines that Obama seems to prefer.
  • Mike
    This letter and the tone in which it is written and the comments that followed will only make Rednecks and any Copperhead or Compatriot in the South even more angry and galvanized when it comes to racial reconciliation. ( The Letter comes across as Childish and Petty) Many we know here in Texas are very Anti- NAACP because of their SC Boycott and them always making a Fuss about the Confederate Battle Flag. IMO This group of Scholars and the NAACP would be miles ahead by picking their battles more wisely and in this case letting sleeping dogs lie. My 88-year-old Grandmother said the NAACP used to help colored folks; but now all they do is try to stir up a fuss so they can get on the TV or in the Paper. This letter has already been posted on Confederate Colonel and will be on many others before the end of the week. There is no reason to break this Historic Tradition that has continued through 2 World wars till this day.
  • Mike,

    Let me say that in the past I've been critical about the NAACP's approach in addressing issues surrounding the public display of the Confederate flag. That said, I believe that civil rights organizations and African Americans in general have the right to be critical of the Confederate flag owing to its history. Some may see it as the flag of an army that functioned as an extension of a slave-holding nation while others no doubt have memories of it as a symbol of "Massive Resistance" from the 1950s and 60s. This frustration is real and in my view it is legitimate. Anyone looking for a good history of this flag must read John Coski's _The Confederate Battle Flag_ (Harvard University Press) http://www.amazon.com/Confederate-Battle-Flag-A...
  • I saw the HNN letter yesterday before any comments were visible. I just checked the letter again after seeing this post. Wow. Some folks are downright mean. By the way, what's a "snivelling mouth-breather"? I've never heard that before, as an epithet or otherwise. Lorraine seems pleasant. - TL
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